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[proudkurd]

I hold myself. My problem is [Edit:nasty language removed] people like you Diri.

You Diri, you [Edit:nasty language removed] nationalist, and other [Edit:nasty language removed] Turkish and
Kurdish nationalist are diseases in people life. World would be
a better place without you [Edit:nasty language removed]. Well, it is good that you
guys are wiping each other one by one.

I see that you are writing here and there for almost four years.
What [Edit:nasty language removed] you accomplished. Just writing nonsense here
and there. Things that you created [Edit:nasty language removed].
Does Europe pay you to talk [Edit:nasty language removed] for four years?

And, this time you have your [Edit:nasty language removed] Mongol friend accompanying
you, besides those "great" European "thinkers".

Or maybe my problem is to take useless people like very seriously.

[Warning: If you continue to swear and use dirty language, you will be banned, Xosere!]

i don't mean to intrude/interrupt, but i'm just curious xosere.. if you're criticizing diri and others for writing/talking on this forum, then why are you on here?
like my parents always said, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all

[Piling]

Where
is my Zazaki translation by the way, the Frencyi citizen.

Oh yeah this one ! Well I have to admit I did not understand at all... But when I show it to A Zazayi friend, she did not understand anything... And then she showed it to her mother, who did not understand, saying "is it Zazayi ? Are you sure ?" Then the mother asked to her brother in Germany who made often translations from Zazayi. From the last news no one understood. Are you sure it was Zazayi ?

[xosere]

Where
is my Zazaki translation by the way, the Frencyi citizen.

Oh yeah this one ! Well I have to admit I did not understand at all... But when I show it to A Zazayi friend, she did not understand anything... And then she showed it to her mother, who did not understand, saying "is it Zazayi ? Are you sure ?" Then the mother asked to her brother in Germany who made often translations from Zazayi. From the last news no one understood. Are you sure it was Zazayi ?

I wrote it in my dialect. Probably your friend speaks a different dialect.
Like Kurdish has its own dialects, Zazaish has its own three dialects; and
sometimes it is hard to communicate. But whatever dialect I write,
no Kurdish or Persian people can understand Zazaish. Zazaish had its own
development for 3000 years after the Parthian Language. So, anybody who
claims that they understand Zazaish just because they know Kurdish or
Persian is simply lying or they are ignorant.

The link below takes you to Zazaki Wikipediya. It is written in the simplest
form to make the writing understandable for all Zazas. Check how much
you can understand. Some of my Persian friends could understand some
words.

[xosere]

internet nationalists

Deza, I like these words

[Johny Bravo]

@Piling

I am from Dersim and i speak Northern Zazaish, and i understood 90% of the text in Southern Zazaish from the Urfa Siverek Mouth who serd had posted. The text was written VERY simple (in child-style!), how you saw it on the english translation, ALLTOUGH you kurds couldnt understand it. Because Zazaish is NOT Kurdish.

[Piling]

Btw I never said that Zazaish is Kurdish, I think it is a branch of the same family, Western Iranian languages, like guranî. I just said that in Dersim, some people milited for a "Zazaistan" but much were considered themselves as Kurds, not because of language but by political choice. Moreover, personnaly, this question let me indifferent. I just doubt that an independant Zazaistan could be possible, in the current political situaiton in Turkey. But if you ask my personnal opinion about the issue, I don't care. People should decide by themselves, that's all.

[BARBARROSA]

What a bunch of bull shit. This is a bullet in the revolver of Arab nationalists? Am I supposed to choke on my laughter considering the fact that the Arabs are semitic people who are the blood relatives of the Jews and speak languages of the same branch when the Kurdish people are Indo - European and speak an Iranic language? I hate to use foul language but this is completely nonfactual. Information has been found suggesting that the Kurds are descended from the Medes, and the idea that we are Jewish agents is hilarious. This sounds like some Arabs crying because they think they own Kurds and that they can use them and own them when they oppress the Kurdish people. They can't even control the green zone. Arabs are a bunch of hypocrites crying about self determination when they flagrantly deny it to their own minorities! The Arabs are Semites and are blood relatives of the Jews. End of story!

[Diri]

What a bunch of bull shit. This is a bullet in the revolver of Arab nationalists? Am I supposed to choke on my laughter considering the fact that the Arabs are semitic people who are the blood relatives of the Jews and speak languages of the same branch when the Kurdish people are Indo - European and speak an Iranic language? I hate to use foul language but this is completely nonfactual. Information has been found suggesting that the Kurds are descended from the Medes, and the idea that we are Jewish agents is hilarious. This sounds like some Arabs crying because they think they own Kurds and that they can use them and own them when they oppress the Kurdish people. They can't even control the green zone. Arabs are a bunch of hypocrites crying about self determination when they flagrantly deny it to their own minorities! The Arabs are Semites and are blood relatives of the Jews. End of story!

You're making one mistake, brother...

"Indo-European" is not a set of genes or DNA... It is a linguistic branch of the world's language tree... Arabs are not even "Arab" if you look at genes and DNA... Most of them are ancient peoples who have been assimilated into Arab culture by Saudi-Arab tribes... There are the Berbers and other peoples in North Africa which have been assimilated... The Pheonecians, Persians, Kurds, Greeks and others who have been assimilated in the Middle East (Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon etc.)...

So it's wrong to list linguistic groups and use the terms as genetically pure... Indeed Kurds are not Jews and Jews are not Kurds. But the point here is that Kurds and Jews and Armenians and Assyrians (and probably Persians, Azeris, Lurs and Balochs too) have VERY close bonds - genetically...

Look at Israelis - how many of them do you think "look Arab" - if the Saudi-Arabs are the "norm" for what an Arab looks like... Probably 10% of all Israeli - no more...

[Vladimir]

Xosere isn't a nationalist?

[Vladimir]

Anyway kak Diri, I don't agree with you that people can choose for an identity. Nation-states dictate a identity and create "high" and "low" identities. For instance in Morocco for a long time speaking French was seen as "higher culture". The same goes for Arabic. Until 1900 most Berbers couldn't speak Arabic (80%). But because of Islam, which promotes Arabic language and culture, berbers are assimilating into Arabic culture. The same goes for Turkey. It's economically more profitable to be Turkish then Kurdish. That explains why for instance Turkey's economy minister is Kurdish and couldn't speak Turkish until he was six years old, but now says "Turkiyeh her sey icin". Although in Ireland most people feel Irish now, but can't speak their own language.

[Diri]

Anyway kak Diri, I don't agree with you that people can choose for an identity. Nation-states dictate a identity and create "high" and "low" identities. For instance in Morocco for a long time speaking French was seen as "higher culture". The same goes for Arabic. Until 1900 most Berbers couldn't speak Arabic (80%). But because of Islam, which promotes Arabic language and culture, berbers are assimilating into Arabic culture. The same goes for Turkey. It's economically more profitable to be Turkish then Kurdish. That explains why for instance Turkey's economy minister is Kurdish and couldn't speak Turkish until he was six years old, but now says "Turkiyeh her sey icin". Although in Ireland most people feel Irish now, but can't speak their own language.

Depending on their background, yes they can...

If I wish, I can cut all contacts with my Kurdishness and my Kurdish family and teach my kids only Norwegian and become Norwegian 100% in all ways - forsaking everything which I was before - and create my own new identity...

That IS after all how MILLIONS of Kurds have been assimilated by Turkey...

So the point I was making was not that you can always "choose" - but that you at least have a CHOICE...

[xosere]

Xosere isn't a nationalist?

Xosere is an anti-nationalist, and he thinks that nationalism is full of crap.

[Vladimir]

Xosere isn't a nationalist?

Xosere is an anti-nationalist, and he thinks that nationalism is full of crap.

Then he would call himself a human and not a zaza. Since everyone is mixed.

[Vladimir]

Depending on their background, yes they can...

If I wish, I can cut all contacts with my Kurdishness and my Kurdish family and teach my kids only Norwegian and become Norwegian 100% in all ways - forsaking everything which I was before - and create my own new identity...

That IS after all how MILLIONS of Kurds have been assimilated by Turkey...

So the point I was making was not that you can always "choose" - but that you at least have a CHOICE...

There is still a choice. But not much.

[xosere]

Xosere isn't a nationalist?

Xosere is an anti-nationalist, and he thinks that nationalism is full of crap.

Then he would call himself a human and not a zaza. Since everyone is mixed.

Xosere thinks that belonging an ethnic identity is one thing, and to have... I am just kidding

I think belonging an ethnic group is one thing, and trying to form a national state is another thing. There are thousands of ethnic groups on the face of earth. However, there are only 180'ish national states. Ethnic groups are real. They have distinct cultures, languages, and so on. However, nation states are build on piece of craps. For example, nationalists make a piece of cloth sacred and call it a flag, or they make a piece of poem sacred and call it an anthem. They try to assimilate others. If they don't they prefer those people dead, and sometimes they do it, as they are doing right now on the Kandil mountains, very sad. This kind of crap can go on very long, but I am cutting it here. You'll get the rest by yourself.

You, as a great European thinker, should get this bro. You should be able to make a distinction between nationalism and belonging an ethnic group.