Fatih Cekirge: The bombs to PKK, recognition to Barzani

[zurderer]

not DTP(and never will be DTP) I voted for AKP.

[Savy]

Lol. You dont need to vote for DTP anyway. I didnt mean that

[Vladimir]

Soli Ozel is an international relations expert at Bilgi University. Ozel argues the recent support Washington has given Ankara in its battle against the PKK has opened the door to a change in relations with Iraq.

"It's a quite a big shift," said Soli Ozel. "The ingredients for it have been there. The main obstacle was the Turkish military, and it seems the Turkish military have also come close to absorbing this new position, and part of the reason I suppose for this is that America is giving the Turkish military everything that it wants in terms of intelligence. So, the PKK is being fought against, and even the Turkish military now begins to see that the Americans are not going to support the Iraqi Kurds for independence."

In May, a senior Turkish official met with the prime minister of northern Iraq's Kurdish region, Nechirvan Barzani. It was the first direct high-level meeting between Turkey and Iraq's Kurdistan regional government, and reports say they discussed a number of political, security and economic issues.

Soli Ozel says the growing rapprochement between Turkey and Iraqi Kurds is beneficial to Iraqi Kurds, as well as Turkey, particularly economically.

"Greater trade, probably investment, especially in the oil business in the region, getting Iraqi gas out of there to the world market through Turkey," said Ozel. "I mean, I think the possibilities are immense, perhaps even limitless."

Any improvement in trade would also likely bring relief to Turkey's impoverished, predominantly Kurdish southeast, which borders Iraq. Crippling high unemployment is seen as a major recruiting agent for the PKK in the region. But observers warn with decades of mistrust existing between Ankara and the Iraqi Kurds the road to a genuine rapprochement remains a difficult one. And, Turkey continues to launch cross-border air strikes on suspected PKK bases in northern Iraq, most recently this past week.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-06-02-voa37.cfm

[Kurd_striker]

Same ol' bull

Just for their own interests, such as investment, gas, oil they are ready to COOPERATE with 'Iraqi Kurds'
Nothing new. This has been happening ever since 1992.
If South Kurdistan declares independence,Turkey will still violate international conventions by blocking borders, such as Armenia

More pro-Turk cr*p coming from VladiTURK


EDIT:

By the way, VladiTURK

Care to discuss further? No response from you yet here: http://northerniraq.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=38387#p38387

[Vladimir]

That the economy is booming you mean? They still produce nothing and import everything (most import comes from Iran/Turkey), biggest employer is the Kurdish government, there is a drought/cholera threat, lot of corruption, agriculture is destroyed/villages empty,

[nuray]

oh calm down kurd_striker and think wisely. economic and trade cooperation is very much needed. it will help advance economic development more for northern iraq than türkiye.

[Kurd_striker]

There is no northern iraq or independent Kurdistan.
There is a Federal Kurdistan province in the north of Iraq....

IT IS PART OF IRAQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ


Tell me, let's say the federal province of Bavaria in Germany is not recognized by France, would Germany then allow trade come to the rest of Germany, and France to boycott Bavaria?

Kurdistan is a PART OF IRAQ, for Gods sakes,
That means, if Turkey recognizes IRAQ (Which it is OBLIGED to do) it automatically recognizes Kurdistan federation.

Enough of this nonsense crap about Turkey and Barzani.

Turkey is the big loser in all of this conflict.

[Kurd_striker]

That the economy is booming you mean? They still produce nothing and import everything (most import comes from Iran/Turkey), biggest employer is the Kurdish government, there is a drought/cholera threat, lot of corruption, agriculture is destroyed/villages empty,

Kurdistan was freed in 2003, which had 12 years of international economic sanctions + central Iraqi government sanctions.
There is literally nothing in Kurdistan, nothing was built, no electricity, no sewer, no decent transport routes.
The Iraqi government neglected everything, destroyed 4500 Kurdish villages (95% of them).

Do you expect Iraqi Kurdistan to become a G8 member in 5 years?


Especially since Turkey lately bombed 3 NEWLY built bridges and schools, in its effort to help the reconstruction of Iraq.





There is this process which is called RECONSTRUCTION OF IRAQ... where all worldwide countries have pledged to aid Iraq for reconstruction.
That includes Kurdistan region because like I said, Kurdistan in Iraq as to Bavaria in Germany, is PART OF THAT COUNTRY.

No country is allowed to boycott Iraq, this is an international agreement.
Whenever Iraq, including Kurdistan which is the most developing area of Iraq, is powerful enough to feed its population.
Then it can change the import-economy to a self-producing one.

VladiTURK.... what have you been sticking in your wotsits? Adana Kebab?

[zurderer]

SO Turkey can enter iraqian soil with her army but cannot blockade iraq. Make a lot sense..

[Kurd_striker]

SO Turkey can enter iraqian soil with her army but cannot blockade iraq. Make a lot sense..

Hey turki... that is an international violation, that's why you were FORCED ( yes and not by your own will) to move out of Iraq.

Turkey cannot boycott Kurdistan solely, because it is OFFICIALLY a part of Iraq.
Therefore, Iraq will be boycotted and the Iraqi government will take measures against Turkey, such as cutting off the Ceyhan Pipeline.

[zurderer]

Forced? that is why we are entering again and again?

Turkey cannot boycott Kurdistan solely, because it is OFFICIALLY a part of Iraq.

So what? we can open another border gate. Or ok. Turkey boycotted iraq. What you will do? cry more?

Therefore, Iraq will be boycotted and the Iraqi government will take measures against Turkey, such as cutting off the Ceyhan Pipeline.

Hahaha. Good joke. Moron. arent you aware of fact, ceyhan pipeline is more important for iraq than Turkey. You should afraid, Turkey can cut off pipeline.

You did not realy have any idea about turkish and iraqian economy are you? For your info, Oil is not Turkey most important experts and Iraq is exporting nothing except oil.

wow, what a threat. I am sure, Turkey afraid iraq not more than armenia.


Bow to mighty iraq.

[Vladimir]

Can everyone stop with calling people names/insults.

Same ol' bull

Just for their own interests, such as investment, gas, oil they are ready to COOPERATE with 'Iraqi Kurds'
Nothing new. This has been happening ever since 1992.
If South Kurdistan declares independence,Turkey will still violate international conventions by blocking borders, such as Armenia

More pro-Turk cr*p coming from VladiTURK

Every 'country' acts in their own interest. The Kurdish economy is not perfect nor very bad and is still developing. But it's wrong to depict a rosy picture. Specially if you look to the reports in the Kurdish media (KUrdmedia, Awena, Hawlati, etc). But I don't see why friendly relations between the KRG and Turkey is bad. And I think KRG is already heading towards this direction. Even if you like it or not. I didn't meant an independent Kurdish state, but a more economical independent federal Kurdish region within Iraq. Like you said.

[Kurd_striker]

But I don't see why friendly relations between the KRG and Turkey is bad.

You see, nobody disagrees with you here (except maybe some Turks?)
But you got to admit that Turkey is interferring in internal Iraqi and Iraqi Kurdish affairs.
They have no right to talk about Kirkuk or Mosul, dropping their claims on it or whatever, not in ANY way, never. Because it is Iraqi soil, not Turkish soil.

They only ask ask ask, and don't give anything themselves.



And for zurKER:


Iraq's GDP per Capita was well above $25,000 in the early 1980's
And 1 Iraqi dinar was worth 3.40 US dollars, at that time.

Something the Turks who stick in Ataturks holes HAVE NEVER ACHIEVED, after hundreds of years in the Ottoman Empire, plundering, stealing, trading, killing, slavery.
EVEN then, they have never achieved it.

Iraq is always superior to Turkey.
Turkey never dared to talk to Iraq with powerful government, Iraq could handle Iran and Turkey (each of them have 4x the population of Iraq) together.

Iraq population in the 80's : 15 million
Iran/Turkey population in the 80's: 55/60 million.

[Vladimir]

You see, nobody disagrees with you here (except maybe some Turks?) But you got to admit that Turkey is interferring in internal Iraqi and Iraqi Kurdish affairs.
They have no right to talk about Kirkuk or Mosul, dropping their claims on it or whatever, not in ANY way, never. Because it is Iraqi soil, not Turkish soil.

National sovereignty is a nationalistic myth. In reality every state interferes with other states. They will claim otherwise - but this is nonsense. Especially in this day of globalization. You are thinking out of the perspective that sovereign rights exist. I don't think in that way. You can say against Turkey that they shouldn't interfere in Iraqi/Kurdish affairs. Then they could say against America to stay out of Iraqi affairs. The region is interconnected to each other and created borders don't change that fact. So it's difficult to 'not' interfere. But Turkish authorities also use the myth of 'non-interference' a lot.

[Kurd_striker]

National sovereignty is a nationalistic myth. In reality every state interferes with other states.

In your world maybe.
I think you are not from the ME. Sovereignty in the Middle-East is a very sensitive issue, and it demonstrates the honour of those who claim it to be theirs. Military presence is always the key show-off of a people/nation that the area is theirs.

Also, illegaly interfering with affairs OUTSIDE the borders of that country is a violation of international protocols, UN charters and covenants.
Hundreds of conflicts, invasions and sanctions have arisen because of this. Kuwait, Gibraltar-islands (Spain vs. Morocco), falkland islands...to name a few.

I know how you feel. You think you've proven yourself a lot, keep us updated with more of your Turk loving arguments.