Turkish elections are coming up

[kurdimemin_diako]

what is Kurdish party after they disband DTP ?

[KurdishAryanSoccer]

what is Kurdish party after they disband DTP ?

BDP

[kurdimemin_diako]

do u know they have how many percents of votes in Bakur Kurdistan ?
I don't know why kurdish parties don't get 100% of votes in Kurdish cities . why should more than half of kurd's vote goes for turk parties ?
does it mean half of them are jash ? no . I know that .
but I don't know why half of for example Van -with kurdish population or mardin or etc. vote for turks ?

[thearabchildren]

thanks arabchildern for the infos , i think once kurds in south are off with their state they will then focus on north kurdistan and help them separate from turkey , atm after kerkuk north kurdistan is my best interest , forget Gorran and KRG they will sort their shit out.

You're right, the Kerkuk situation has to be sorted out ASAP.

Now regarding the BDP: They don't get votes in Kurdish cities for a few reasons. Firstly, not all residents of Kurdish cities are Kurds, and of course it's not surprising that many of them vote for non-Kurdish parties. Although there are non-Kurds, including progressive Turks, who vote BDP, they are to small in number to change the Turkish political culture or to counterbalance Kurds who don't vote BDP, who are your primary concern. Another reason why Kurdish cities might not vote fully BDP is that they see that the BDP doesn't get votes in the rest of Turkey, meaning that the party "doesn't matter", and they figure it's more in their interest to choose between whatever they view as the "least offensive" mainstream party. For Kurds (even in Tunceli!) this has generally meant the AKP (which serves as sort of a vote of no confidence for the CHP, which I like for laughing in the face of smug CHP supporters who think the only reason someone wouldn't love their good-for-nothing party is because they are ultra-conservative Sunnis. But it is only good for this, as it does not help the Kurds). The third reason is that many of them have been so brainwashed that they believe that solving the Kurdish problem is something for "PKK supporters", and that for "normal" Kurds like them, Turkey is the best thing they can hope for. It's very sad, but it's not that surprising. The progressive elements within Turkish Kurdistan tend to vote for either the BDP or a general left-wing party, but I think that most of the rest aren't so much "jash" (at least not at their core) as they are hopeless for getting a better deal than what they currently have. I think they will become "pro-Kurdish" when they see more evidence that their participation in a Kurdish movement will actually gain them something. IE, they look like sell-outs right now because there's something to gain from selling out, whereas they probably believe that whether they resist or not, vote or not, speak out or not, nothing will change. I think as much as you hear voices dividing Northern Kurdistan (not just politically, which is a legal fact, but culturally) from Southern Kurdistan NOW, after Southern Kurdistan is just "the Republic of Kurdistan" with a UN seat, I think a lot of Kurds up here will suddenly become a lot more vocal about how they have been treated.

[thearabchildren]

My biggest concern, however, is not the bourgeois elections, but what they represent: The continued division. Kemalists like to prattle on and on about how "[insert who they blame for the Kurdish problem, never Kemalism of course, which is innocent] are trying to divide Turkey". KurdishAryanSoccer is afraid that people are trying to divide Kurds by sect (Alevi and Sunni, which is ridiculous, the resurgeance in Alevi identity is strongest among left-wing Kurds, it is the Kemalists who are most embarassed of their Aleviness) or by tongue (Zazas from non-Zazas, again, a baseless fear. No matter how many stupid Kemalists try to use the Zazas as some sort of surreal "proof" against Kurdish identity [which even if Zazas were not Kurds, this would contribute exactly nothing to the Kemalist case, and subtract basically nothing from the Kurdish nationalist one], Zazas who actually speak Zazaki are the MOST nationalist Kurds, EVEN if Kurmancî speakers don't understand their beautiful speech), the division I am concerned about is assimilated Kurds versus non-assimilated Kurds and otherwise progressive Turks from the Kurdish issue. People in Turkey who consider themselves progressive, who admit Kurds exist and basically want them to have their rights, they want freedom for the Kurds, but they expect the Kurds to wait forever for it. They expect the Kurds to wait for tiny reform after tiny reform while they collectively focus on "bigger" issues. But for many Kurds, the fact that they are still expected to BECOME TURKS, is THE BIGGEST issue. It is so easy for these Turks, who are otherwise decent people, to accuse me of being "obsessed" with the Kurdish issue, which is "a problem", but "why does everything have to come back to the Kurds?". The answer is simple, dear leftist Turks: Because you do not bring up the Kurds enough. When I see the entire Turkish Left united around the cause of Kurdish rights, then I will stop "bothering" you with it. Because meanwhile, there is another division: Assimilated Kurds. Assimilated Kurds, at their worst, turn out like Doğu Perinçek (who I despise), and devote all their time to attacking Kurdish nationalism and defending Turkish nationalism. At their best, assimilated Kurds turn out like Yılmaz Güney. But most of the time, they don't "turn out" at all. Most of the time, they are mildly upset about what Kemalism has done to them, but afraid to bring up the issue with their Turkish friends, and unable to relate to Kurds living in the deep Southeast, even if they don't hate them like many Turks do. So the division that bothers me most is that among the Kurds simply over their current situation: Do they wish to sacrifice their Kurdishness for a chance at economic equality, or do they wish to sacrifice any hope of an economic future for their Kurdishness? This choice has to be removed from the equation. We have to reinforce the urban, intellectual Kurdish culture. We have to remind Kurds living in Istanbul that Kurdish is not a "village language", but a language, like any other. We have to give them as much of an oppurtunity to be urban, educated Kurds as possible, because the Kemalists will not. Obviously long term I want sustainable economic development of all of Kurdistan, but for me the first step in Turkey is to prevent assimilation among the Kurds, then use them to educate the Turkish left, then a united front to grant greater autonomy to the Southeast (and honestly, greater autonomy to everyone, this authoritarian centralism is a big problem in Turkey, for all minorities, not just Kurds, and for Turks too), then erase the borders.

[thearabchildren]

do u know they have how many percents of votes in Bakur Kurdistan ?

http://secim.haberler.com/2009/partisonuc.asp?id=10

[thearabchildren]

For the record, my wife is less optimistic than me for the fall of Erdoğan. She says he's gonna keep being loved, but that the CHP will also gain votes (from the aforementioned assimilated Kurds, as well as the aformentioned leftist Turks), not that it matters.

[Kulka]

do u know they have how many percents of votes in Bakur Kurdistan ?
I don't know why kurdish parties don't get 100% of votes in Kurdish cities . why should more than half of kurd's vote goes for turk parties ?
does it mean half of them are jash ? no . I know that .
but I don't know why half of for example Van -with kurdish population or mardin or etc. vote for turks ?

what guarantee we have that the result of elections are fair, not fake? it might be a lot of reasons, but i am likely to think turks gives the fake result to public

[ideas]

Some reasons as to why Kurdish party lags behind.

1. Turkish parties have a lot more money, it's also very possible that AKP bribes voters.
2. AKP is using the Islamic card, getting Imams to ask people to vote for them.
3. Kurdish parties are usually banned, it's possible that some voters may feel like they are wasting their vote.
4. There are off course Jash too.

These are natural consequences of being occupied, the same happened in the south, did you know that saddam had 100,000 soldiers in his Jash divisions? they did it for money and out of fear, but in 1991 as soon as they saw saddam crippled they all joined the rebellion.

[thearabchildren]

The AKP may well bribe voters, but they wouldn't HAVE to. They have so many more corporate connections than most parties in Turkey, which means they effectively have half the media voice (the CHP has most of the rest, then the MHP has a chunk).

[KurdishAryanSoccer]

ye in northkurdistan are lot of traitor kurds who are with turkish state liek a dog .who seel honor for noodles etc... but day for day they come back to right side (to BDP )

[ideas]

KurdishAryanSoccer,

Your an angry guy aren't ya? :0

[alan131210]

i really really hope BDP gets some decent amount of votes this time .

[KurdishAryanSoccer]

KurdishAryanSoccer,

Your an angry guy aren't ya? :0

YES i am and ,..

i hate such traitors who selling honor, flag for noodles

[thearabchildren]

i really really hope BDP gets some decent amount of votes this time .

The problem really isn't the number, but the region. Every Kurd could vote BDP, but the rest of the Turkish parliament will just ignore those parliamentarians, when they're not actively antagonising them or their voter base. This is one of the reasons why Kurds don't vote BDP: If they vote CHP or AKP or whatever, at least they can tell one or the other Turkish politician that they prefer the other one. Votes for the BDP mean nothing because although the party isn't BANNED, almost all of its positions are still widely regarded as "extreme".

In this respect I agree with KurdishAryanSoccer: When the political climate changes, you will see a lot of Kurds who before were not noticeably radical suddenly voting for Kurdish nationalist politicians. Both in Kurdistan and out here in cultural wasteland of Northwestern Turkey. They listen to Şivan Perwer and know their flag when they see it and worry about kids in the Southeast getting beaten by cops, but they don't vote BDP. I know because I drink with them.