An Open Letter

[Zhala]

An open letter of sorts to the young men living in Kurdistan.

Dear Young Kurdish Men,

Please take the time in the morning to do the buttons of your shirt up; nobody needs to see your hairy chest or your many silver chains.

Please stop wearing silver chains, bracelets and decorative rings; you wear more jewellery than your mother.

Please stop loitering about in the markets during the day and get a job, or go to the library and study for that degree you’re supposed to be earning.

Please stop smoking like it’s cool, you smell like a cremated corpse.

Please stop drinking and driving. Instead of spending the whole day watching funny Kurdish cartoons or Arabic music videos, educate yourself on the dangers of drunk driving.

Please choose more responsible places to drink, like, I don’t know, somewhere that isn’t by the side of a busy mountain road?

Please stop gathering at car crash scenes for entertainment like you’ve never seen an accident before.

Keep your filthy hairy tentacles to yourself and don’t touch me because I will punch you, my siblings will punch you, my Mum will punch you and my Dad will punch you. Then my Dad will go get his gun and you will start crying.

No you don’t need a car just because you’ve started University, stop being a brat and take the bus.

Just because you have a car it doesn’t mean you’re a God, it does mean you are spoilt.

No it’s not ok to ask your parents/relatives for money to go abroad so you can sleep with foreigners, go on benefits or get a menial job and drink, smoke and gamble to your heart’s content. Go do something that contributes to Kurdish society.

Get a normal haircut and stop bathing yourself in gel; you look like a cow licked your head.

Don’t be surprised if you pick someone to marry based on their looks and she turns out to be a gold digging airhead.

Don't be surprised if I turn down your heartfelt, emotional declaration of love and marriage right after you find out I live abroad and you mention you are desperate to live outside Iraq.

Stop staring at me. If you don't stop staring at me, one day I will walk right up to you and jab you in the eyes.

Guys, the 1970s ended years ago, lets start buying jeans that aren't skin tight and flared. No one needs to see that.

Yours Sincerely,

Young Kurdish Women


Please nobody get offended, it is after all underneath the Joke & Entertainment section There will be more Open Letter's to come, one for young Kurdish women, Kurds living abroad and the older generation. So no one feels left out

[talsor]

This was originally posted in the joke section , but I do not think it is funny at all and very offensive . Personally I think Kurdish girls living abroad are total snubs with sever inferiority complex with all do respect to some .The above can be applied to many nationalities yet it is fine as long as they are not Kurds

[Kurdistano]

neither funny nor really offensive just very Conceited

[unitedkurdistan]

This is true. I do hope many guys do see this.I mean did your father fight for your future so you could go and smoke, just driving around the city showing your self up. You're a disgrace for the older generation. And you are a disgrace for the kurdish future. What now, when we are safe, we should become lazy? When it's now we should be active. Thank god there still are those who do care about the kurdish future.

[Zhala]

I expected this sort of mixed reaction but I am still a little disappointed. Offensive and conceited that I find certain aspects of Kurdish society inappropriate and thus worth highlighting? Everyone in this forum knows that for every one small minded male Kurd there are 10 well educated, respectful male Kurds.

And YES Talsor Young Kurdish women in particular those living abroad do have their own list of funny and frustrating habits and if you read my post I made it clear that I would be including more open letters to other sections of Kurdish society. Moving it out of the joke section is quite alright, I don't take offense easily

[Zert]

I didn't think it was that bad, rants are funny after all. Plus, criticism is needed for a nation/culture to grow and improve. It always sickens me when certain people defend their actions just because it's a tradition.

[Zhala]

Thanks Zert, I appreciate your words.

[Zert]

Now, my remarks on your rant.

An open letter of sorts to the young men living in Kurdistan.

Dear Young Kurdish Men,

Please take the time in the morning to do the buttons of your shirt up; nobody needs to see your hairy chest or your many silver chains.

Please stop wearing silver chains, bracelets and decorative rings; you wear more jewellery than your mother.

Sometimes I do leave a button open (very rarely, at parties), and I wear a Zulfiqar chain. What's wrong with that? You're right that people shouldn't go overboard with the jewellery though.

Stop staring at me. If you don't stop staring at me, one day I will walk right up to you and jab you in the eyes.

Do they stare, or just look? Surely, you can't blame a man for looking at a woman? Staring is another thing though.

Agree with the rest though.

[Azamat]

Please stop wearing silver chains, bracelets and decorative rings; you wear more jewellery than your mother.

Why? It's an ancient Scythian tradition that we should definitely continue to pursue

Please stop gathering at car crash scenes for entertainment like you’ve never seen an accident before.

What has that to do with Kurdish men? Everyone does it, including the good, modest Dutchmen of this country. I do it too, because anomalies from the course of daily life are very exciting. Also; I don't drive or travel by car very much so values on malicious pleasure are irrelevant here(because it will never happen to me).

Guys, the 1970s ended years ago, lets start buying jeans that aren't skin tight and flared. No one needs to see that.

Well, that's up to the individual and not for you to decide. We don't have to abide by laws of 'fashion'; in my world these are non-existant(I prefer to dress very neutral, mostly in black). Or would you rather have Kurdish men all starting to wear 2010s jeans that do not even conceal your underpants?

There will be more Open Letter's to come, one for young Kurdish women, Kurds living abroad and the older generation. So no one feels left out

I will leave that up to others. Mine would be too rude and insulting.

and I wear a Zulfiqar chain

Nice!

[ideas]

Why are Kurdish girls so judgmental when it comes to Kurdish guys? I see it countless times, they hang around other nationalities without giving a damn, yet when it comes to Kurdish guys, absolutely everything is forbidden!

Kurdish girls in Europe have made me wash my hands of Kurdish girls for ever.

[Zhala]

Thanks for the responses, good or bad, it's what I like to see


@ Zert, Leaving a button (or even 2 on a warm day is ok) but it's the 3 and 4 that lets out the man cleavage that no one wants to see. But hey, this was written in humour so if a man wants to get his chest out then sure, ok, just know that not a lot of women find the nipple of a passing man enticing.

As for staring, in Slemani, there is a saying, the first look is halal, the second is haram (sounds better in Kurdish ). When a guy constantly moves around a market place to make eye contact with a girl/woman, it feels suffocating. And I know this might come off as conceited but ask any of your female relatives from a teenager to a woman in her 40s, they all have to put up with this complete inappropriateness.

@ Azamat....somehow I'm not entirely convinced that if I walked up to a Kurd with 3 chains around his neck he'd say it was because of Scythian tradition....I don't recall my Dad or Grandad upholding Kurdish culture in that way

The car accident show...well I've never seen that happen in Britain, France, Italy but I'm sure it does happen in other countries as a lot of the other points do too. I've drawn them because they're inexplicable, at least to me and on the roads of Kurdistan it's just plain dangerous...again, I write these in humour so I don't actually expect anyone to do as I say, I'm not President of the World

Oh dear, Azamat, I must disagree with you totally. Men and particularly women in Kurdistan must abide by certain societal rules regarding what they wear. Technically, we're all free to wear what we want but in reality we care too much about what other people think.

@ ideas and anyone else who agrees with him, why don't you go ahead and read Open Letters II dedicated to Kurdish girls living abroad. Something tells me that there won't be as many objections to this post....

[ideas]

To be honest 90% of what you wrote does not apply to me and I don't really see the need to open a thread about Kurdish girls, nearly every Kurdish girl I've met here is highly judgmental and even know they hardly know me, see the need to tell me how to live my life which is very annoying, especially since they don't care how their other friends live their lives, it's like they believe they have an obligation to put all Kurdish guys down. Strange.

[Zhala]

To be honest 90% of what you wrote does not apply to me and I don't really see the need to open a thread about Kurdish girls, nearly every Kurdish girl I've met here is highly judgmental and even know they hardly know me, see the need to tell me how to live my life which is very annoying, especially since they don't care how their other friends live their lives, it's like they believe they have an obligation to put all Kurdish guys down. Strange.

Let me correct you, I am not asking you to open up a thread. I have opened up a second thread that I was a work in progress when I posted the first one. Please read all the information in my posts. So far I have planned 3 'Open Letter' threads and I have posted 2 of them. Open Letter II is my take on the folly and funny of Kurdish girls living abroad. If you don't want to read it then I applaud you for exercising your freedom.

As for the rest of your comment, this is a collection of observations I have seen having lived, worked and visited Kurdistan it is not meant to be a guide for Kurdish men to follow. I'm so not that powerful And frankly this isn't supposed to apply to anyone on this forum. Like I said for every one small minded male Kurd there are 10 well educated bright Kurdish men. I don't know you, I'm neither your family nor your friend and I have no desire to tell you how to live your life. If you have frustrations with Kurdish women who have been horrible to you then do something about it but I'm afraid I can't take responsibility for their actions.

[ideas]

Let me correct you, I am not asking you to open up a thread. I have opened up a second thread that I was a work in progress when I posted the first one. Please read all the information in my posts. So far I have planned 3 'Open Letter' threads and I have posted 2 of them. Open Letter II is my take on the folly and funny of Kurdish girls living abroad. If you don't want to read it then I applaud you for exercising your freedom.

I have no problem with your posts, I just don't see why you see the need to put 'Kurdish' in it when frankly you will find men like that everywhere, regardless of their nationality.

As for the rest of your comment, this is a collection of observations I have seen having lived, worked and visited Kurdistan it is not meant to be a guide for Kurdish men to follow. I'm so not that powerful And frankly this isn't supposed to apply to anyone on this forum. Like I said for every one small minded male Kurd there are 10 well educated bright Kurdish men. I don't know you, I'm neither your family nor your friend and I have no desire to tell you how to live your life. If you have frustrations with Kurdish women who have been horrible to you then do something about it but I'm afraid I can't take responsibility for their actions.

Horrible? please, more like a cry for attention, I don't really care, all I know is that they have their reservations for Kurdish guys and as long as you are not a Kurd everything is fine, which again can be portrayed from your posts, the fact that you stick 'Kurdish' before the men illustrates my statement, you basically are calling men pigs which happens all over the world, I don't see why there must be reservations for Kurds from Kurdish women where it's fine as long as you're not a Kurd, but if you are a Kurdish guy everything is haram and you are an absolute pig. You can pretend what I'm saying is not true, it doesn't bother me, your posts state otherwise, I mean even if this is a joke, the fact that you came up with it shows that you have at least thought about it and came to these conclusions.

Nothing against you personally, it doesn't bother me too much, it's easy for me to ignore them people, it's just a bit sad that we are being discriminated against by our own women, it's actually quite funny in a twisted kind of way, after all Kurds are cursed. I've given up on Kurdish girls now anyway.

[Zhala]

*Sigh* I really didn't want to bring my personal life into this but I am happily engaged to a Kurdish man who grew up back there. If I thought all Kurdish men were pigs, I wouldn't be planning on spending the rest of my life with one.

Seeing as you have decided you can't find happiness with a Kurdish girl, good luck finding happiness with the girl of your choice.