Alevis are muslim read this

[Mosul]

And what you are reffering to in the Holy Quran is that you shouldn't TALK SHIT BEHIND OTHER MUSLIMS BACK... WE AIN'T DOIN' THAT SISTER! SO GET A MOVE ON! ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!! YES IT IS HARD TO BITE THE BITTER APPLE

Frist of all im a Brother, second, i have showed you the site that supports me, and yet you havent. You cant expect anybody to believe someone that says, all alevis are really kurds, when the majority of alevis are made up of Turks. Like i said early brother, you are uneduacated, and so olny say, what you want to hear, it is agansit the Quran, and the teachings of Pikember Mohammed (s.a.w) to judge other muslims, like Delal said. and this is what Diri whines about, anything that proves diri wrong, is considered bad language. well thats to bad, you are wrong, and you will always stay wrong, with no support!

[Piling]

Furthermore, if someone who is Alevi considers themselves to be Muslim or not, it is not something that we should judge them

I know many Alevis, I went twice in one of their historical homeland, which is Dersim. I have never heard an Alevi saying he is Muslim (never heard also a Yezidi saying he is Muslim).

Turkish state does not recognize their religion and on their identity card it is written "muslim" but they dislike it, and they dislike the empty mosques that Turkish State built in Dersim, where no one goes for praying, but the Sunni Turkish policemen who worked in the district.

[Diri]

Mosul... Give you "source"??? for what? - There is plain and open proof for you to see with your own eyes... The wikipedia isn't a valid source - because I can go and change the content of it to my favour and send you there to read it again...


I think you need to relax... The HOLY QURAN IS HOLY - son DON'T LIE ABOUT IT... It says that "Muslims must not talk behind other muslims backs" and that it is a sin... But don't you UNDERSTAND that we are not talking behind anybodies backs??? We are discussing FACTS - if you have any come forth with them... and just so you know - (I know you are very uneducated in Kurdish language but we say "Pêxember" and not "Pikember")

[Mosul]

why would anybody change the wikipedia, they are not like you diri, if you go to anysite and reserach alevies it says there part of shyia islam, yezdis are not muslim but they have lots of muslim infuence. i am not saying their muslims. piling like i said, if some alevis you meet say their not muslim then its their problem, their beliefs are shyia islam. and diri i dont use latini kurdi like you i dont think its us, thats why I say pikember instead of your turkish wannabe script. you couldnt even understand that message i sent you in kurdish, and that was simple. Your kurdish is all farsi, thats why nobody can understand you. You use words like shev bash, and roj bash, those saying dont exist in the kurdish langange, you just put them together.

[Diri]

I suggest that you stop writting in English... It is Latin too you know... And just so you know - (which is not very much) "X" is not used in Turkish - it is a forbidden alphabet... And that shows how uneducated you are...

Go read my posts again - I said that the Yezidi and the Alevi are "severly" (that means "SERIOUSLY") influenced by Islam... So you are not paying attention...


And for your information - as you have probably skipped HEVALS post:

Just a comment about Wikipedia. I would not really put too much trust into anything that is written on that site. It's an open encyclopedia, which means anyone can edit it, and that makes it very questionable whether most things on that site are factual or not.

A while back, a friend of mine was writing for that site and decided to add a piece about Al-Anfal to Saddam Hussein's profile, since a lot of history was written in that section and not enough facts on his atrocities were included. Everyday, he said his posts were deleted from the website by someone else. Seems like there was a pro-Baathist working for Wikipedia...

Now - do you see that I can go and CHANGE the info in Wikipedia to my own taste? It can't be trusted... Even the LITTLE map they have of Kurdistan is SO darn small that it looks more like our nation is a mini nation... And we are talking about lands that are supporting a 30 million population...

But anyway - You are appareantly a bitter little boy with no friends... And no education either... the post you sent me was in part not readable - because it was written in Latin by a person who has no knowledge about Kurdish alphabet in Latin script... Furthermore - you don't see that to make the "x" sound in English you must write "kh"... But I think that will take us to another level of discussion... Whish I won't bother persuing...

Why do you think my Kurdish is mixed with Persian? It is you who uses "selam" - which is widely used by the Persians/Arabs AND the Turks...

[Mosul]

"But anyway - You are appareantly a bitter little boy with no friends"

your whole life youv been constant on this forum, now let talk about who has friends.

"Go read my posts again - I said that the Yezidi and the Alevi are "severly" (that means "SERIOUSLY") influenced by Islam... So you are not paying attention... "

Once again i did not say yezdis were muslims, i said alevite were.


"Why do you think my Kurdish is mixed with Persian? It is you who uses "selam" - which is widely used by the Persians/Arabs AND the Turks... "

what do you mean i say selam? you mean Asalaam Alikoem? ofcource i say that all muslims from everywere say that, its in our culture, whats your point?

you want me to believe you over a widely used internet source, the same person that said, alevites who are mainly turkish, are really kurdish deep inside? i cant tell you how much i value your input.

[Diri]

Ummm... Why don't you go and have a look for yourself??? I don't think you understand how it is with the wikipedia... There is a button there where you can "edit" the content... Wanna try it?


And about the internet - I have ADSL - So I have internet 24/7... And mostly I am: Sleeping, eating, spending time with my family, going to cafê's/cinema/town/have fun with friends, shopping, listening to music, doing Sala'et, enjoying life and not being TOO much on the internet... I have other things to do then to just sit here But I usualy have an open page on KBU and one on Kurdishmedia... So darn it - the Kurdishmedia people must think that I am sitting somwhere in the world and banging my head to the wall in frustration over their SLOW SPEED of giving news!

[Delal]

Diri and Mosul, your comments are beginning to have more and more personal attacks against the other (stupid comments vs. uneducated comments). This forum is not the proper place for such comments, and I strongly encourage you to take this type of discussion into the realm of private messaging.

[Diri]

Delal -

No it's okey... We have changed our tone now... Right, Mosul, my brother?!!

[Mosul]

yeah delal is right lets stop this for now.

[Diri]

Hahaha


Should expect more...

[Rubar]

And what you are reffering to in the Holy Quran is that you shouldn't TALK SHIT BEHIND OTHER MUSLIMS BACK... WE AIN'T DOIN' THAT SISTER! SO GET A MOVE ON! ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!! YES IT IS HARD TO BITE THE BITTER APPLE

Frist of all im a Brother, second, i have showed you the site that supports me, and yet you havent. You cant expect anybody to believe someone that says, all alevis are really kurds, when the majority of alevis are made up of Turks. Like i said early brother, you are uneduacated, and so olny say, what you want to hear, it is agansit the Quran, and the teachings of Pikember Mohammed (s.a.w) to judge other muslims, like Delal said. and this is what Diri whines about, anything that proves diri wrong, is considered bad language. well thats to bad, you are wrong, and you will always stay wrong, with no support!

You are completely wrong. Most of the Alevis are Kurdish. Even if you look at the Alevi population in terms of cities and regions the majority are in Kurdistan, Dersim (Tunceli), Sivas (Alevis are Kurds and TUrks are SUnnis over there) same with Maras, Erzincan etc.. Most Alevi TUrkish population is in COrum. Go get your fact straight.

THere has been a recent study done in turkey. According to this study, Alevi Kurds do not consider themselves as part of Islam whereas Alevi Turks do. THe reason given for this has been the relative isolation and independence of the ALevi regions in Kurdistan.

[tomjez]

Some Alevis turks I know don't consider themselves part of islam...
and some kurds alevis don't consider themselves kurds, because for them kurds are kurmancis and sunni...and they fought against eachother...

Some linguists say that Zazaki (dimli) is not a kurdish language...too different. I don't know what to believe. You should all read what Martin Van Bruinesen wrote about alevis kurds, it is great, and he exposes different theories without saying "THIS" is the truth...

[Diri]

Some Alevis turks I know don't consider themselves part of islam...
and some kurds alevis don't consider themselves kurds, because for them kurds are kurmancis and sunni...and they fought against eachother...

Some linguists say that Zazaki (dimli) is not a kurdish language...too different. I don't know what to believe. You should all read what Martin Van Bruinesen wrote about alevis kurds, it is great, and he exposes different theories without saying "THIS" is the truth...

Kurmancî:

"Warê min"

Zazakî:

"Warê mayo"


I hope that gives you an idea...

[tomjez]

French "tire bouchon" turkish "tirbuşon"



kidding

yes it seems pretty close!

Zaza look physıcally different from kurmancis though...