Southern Kurdistan - And the Gospel

[Diri]

Okey - I guess MOST of you are aware of the growing churches in Kurdistan...

Now I am not anti-Christian or anything like that - I have respect for Christians as long as they have respect for Islam...

I am no Islamic Fundamentalist and no member of Al-Qaeeda! And I will never even resort to such low levels and disgrace Islam like they have done - but I am ANGERED that the European Christian Envangalic churches THINK THAT IT IS OKEY to come and convertmuslims to Christianity... That is a private affair, yes - but not when they do missionary work - then it becomes a problem...

I do not like it at all - and I see it as respectless and oppurtunist and disguisting that they convert Muslims to Christianity... No offence to our Christian friends - I respect you VERY much for being what you are and who you are - but it is WRONG to do missionary work - because it is for every man/woman to decide if they want to be a part of a religion - if they don't want to be a part of Islam - let them come to the Christians - bu they are going from door to door and talking "sense to people" - that is SO degrading... They must respect Muslims if they want to be respected themselves by Muslims... I have NO respect for missionary work - be it Christian, Muslim or Jewish... I think it is both degrading and repulsive...

[kardox]

its so disgusting to take advantage of a poor family or a lost man/woman and fill them with lies. This actions should not be allowed, people should think for them self.


thx

[Diri]

I agree - and just now that they have been through all these hardships - and I read an article where a priest said "They (the muslims in Kurdistan) are so afraid of their God and like to hear about how our God is LOVE"----> VERY loosely quoted from the article... But basically what he was saying.... COME ON! HOW DISGUISTING!!!??? This is the most oppurtunist thing they can do... To take advantage of peoples weakness is a BIG SIN - even in Christianity - so why do they do it???!

[Piling]

European Christian Envangalic churches

Evangelic churches ? they are not American originally ? But as they make a lot of missionnary work in Europe too, so now of course they are many converted people in their ranks.
The most disgusting is that they convert people in Iran or other country where it is forbidden to let islam, and people face hard punishment from mollahs.
But Preachers say : "dying for God is a good thing" or something like that. BTW these churches have slight differences with setcs.

[kardox]

I must add that i find it okay if we start giving kurdish youngsters information about how we become Muslims and the what we were befor we were forced to convert to islam. We must to take our past and see if we were misused by the arabs or not. And there are plenty of documents that suggest that there was a big Anfal campaign in the past. I want to know where all our past is , our books, knowledge that was gathered by our peers(Zoroastrian priests). Why dont we know so much abut the time we weren't Muslims ?


thx

[Diri]

I agree Kardox...

But I find it VERY wrong for an outsider to come into Kurdistan and talk about the gospel... I mean - Is that REALY the most important thing in the world??? Why don't they ACT on their gospel - where it says that they MUST help the weak and the needing!

To say the least I am disguisted by the European way of think... And also the Western in general...

It's all money, commerce and paychecks... This is very disturbing... Sometimes I think Kurds are fools who "look to the west as a role model"... Because living here I see all the negative sides of their culture and the way they think... And to say the LEAST Europeans are COLD!

[kardox]

I agree diri

I find it disgusting too when they come and try to convert us , that is not the way. I consider my self as a Muslim, and I wont convert to any other religion before I know all about islam, and right now, well i dont know anything about it . But what i know is not impressing me.


thx

[Diri]

That was confusing... Do you mean christianity when you say:

and I wont convert to any other religion before I know all about islam, and right now, well i dont know anything about it . But what i know is not impressing me.

Because I think you know very much about Islam... You SHOULD at least know what it is about... Right?


But if you are talking about Christianity - then I agree - but I know much about it - and it provokes me... Just as Islam may provoce a christian... But the difference is that we accept and respect their faith - because we believe in most they believe in and Jesus is one of the Five Prophets in Islam - Noah - Abraham - Moses - Jesus and Mohammed... Bu they don't have respect for Mohammed - Some people - actually a SWEDISH priest said that "Mohammed was a pedofile" (Estefullah)... IS THAT HOW YOU RESPECT ANOTHER RELIGION???!!!

[kardox]

we must indeed respect other religions. according to Islam we should have great respect for Jews and Christians. We should have respect for the people with holy books(olol'azm, and Ahl al-ketab).
I dont know what is confusing you , let me make it clear, I wouldn't covert to any other religion, cuz i dont know enough about my own religion. The day I know all about Islam, and if I do not like it by then i might convert, and IF I ever convert it wouldn't be to a Semitic religion cuz they are so similar.



thx

[Diri]

Yes... NOW I see what you meant Thanks for clearing that up for me!

And I agree - I would be a jew before a christian -we have more in common with the Jews if you think about rituals and traditional practice - like circumcision and not eating pork...

You know what is VERY fascinating? In the Bible - in one of the stories about Jesus it says that when Jesus came out of the boat (shortly after he had walked on water) with hie diciples - he saw a possesed man- and this man Jesus cured - by sending the evil spirits into a flock of boars not far away...

Now the fascinating thing is - in both Islam and Judaism - such acts are seen as symbolic - Why not just make the evil spirits go away? Why send them to pigs? Makes you question... Is the pig a dirty and un-healthy animal for humans to eat? Yes - so does the Quran state - I have however no knowledge of the Torah... But look - TODAY scientists are ALL AGREEING that the PIG is not the ideal food for humans - it has a MUCH higher level of worms (which can be found in all animals) than any other animal we could eat... And it has more unhealthy fat than any other animal we could eat...

And about circumcision - I don't see HOW christians don't do it?!!! Jesus was circumsized! He was A JEW! He didn't say that he brought a new religion... And he definetly didn't ever say that he was the son of God (Estefullah)...

But now I am talking of other things ...

But I do however find it VERY disturbing that the Christians of Europe TRY (doesn't matter if they succed!!!) to convert Kurds... We have Christian's among ourselves - IF ANY - LET THEM DO IT - But they wouldn't because they KNOW WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IN LIFE!

[Mosul]

kardox what do you want to know about islam? ill tell you anything you want to know, why dont you ask your parents? im sure they will be glad to tell you what ever you want to know. We should not worry about the christian missonarys, they use money as a tool for converts, and that is a very strong tool for the many poor that they have in iraq all over. islam does not use missonary and look we are the number 1 growing religon in the world. that should tell you something. i have met people that converted, and they are better muslims that the people who were born muslims.

[Diri]

Money? And that doesn't worry you? That they are converting MUSLIMS in KURDISTAN to their faith....????

[Mosul]

they use money to convert people, usually people that are poor, notice how when the tsunami hit indonesia, a bunch of missonarys ran to indonesia. Islam is the number one growing religon in the world. we dont even use missonarys and we are the fastest growing.

[Emmunah]

jews are not allowed to prosyletize...except for those odd "Jews for Jesus" people, but they are really Baptists.

I don't like it. I think if a religion is good, then the people who practice it will serve as examples. If the question is "should there be missionaries who just do good works, and stand as examples of their faith" then I would say yes, but not people whose number one goal is to convert people.

I really like to get to know all about other faiths, and I don't like anyone telling me what to believe, what to eat, wear ect...so I'm not "orthodox" because of that.

I heard a weird story last month about the two chief rabbis' in Israel...one of the Rabbi's (the one of Morroccan decent) declared that the Hummus made from sesame seeds that were not shelled under supervision by Rabbi's was forbidden , and the other Rabbi said he was wrong, because you don't shell sesame seeds. what I want to know is, why do these people have so much time on their hands...shouldn't they be doing good works!!! Weird...just very weird!

Muslims do prosyletize by the way, just not the door to door kind.

I would be Alevi probably if I were not jewish.

[Diri]

Well... That is good... The Jews that I would rather be rather wanna be Alevi...



But let me see... Can you further explain the word for us non-native English speakers?

"Prosyletize"


Like missionary work you mean?