are kurdish men faithful?

[Feyli_kord]

Seeing as i'm european and you're the kurd

Not wrong, if you consider that I spent more time in Northern, Western and Southern Kurdistan than you

Does a foreign correspondent become a part of the country they correspond from? Do I become malaysian for living in malaysia and writing about malaysia? Nope. Westerners who live in japan for decades, still get called gaijin by the japanese. I lived a long time in europe, i'm still called immigrant. So your logic doesn't make sense.

I live 8 years in a Kurdish family.

Guess what? I lived my entire life in a kurdish family. Being a guest with a kurdish family, doesn't make you kurdish.

Edward Said spent most of his life in USA. He is not a Middle Easterner at all, he was a wannabe Oriental (like you).

Ahahaha, wanna be oriental?

I speak Feyli kurdish, Arabic, Persian
Almost all my friends are middle-easterners
My parents are both kurds
The foods i eat at home are almost exclusively middle-eastern
My DNA is kurdish.

Only naive and ignorant europeans believe in civic nations. Don't think middle-easterners who live in europe see themselves as european, or are seen as european. It's only a very small PC part of the european population, who thinks that anyone who is born or lives in europe, is european. They say that, meanwhile the rest of the population don't share their belief. I'm sure some europeans said that, when hitler came to power. It's ridicules, we both know that's now how people who aren't white europeans are viewed.

And edward said, grew up and lived in palestinian mandate. And that's bullshit. Edward Said never commented on Anfal campaign. He wasn't pro or anti-kurdish. And unlike you, he was an actual oriental, surrounded by orientals, declared a representative of oriental leaders(like sadaat).

Your life or your illusion ?

My life. Which illusion? Your illusion is that anyone who lives in europe is european.

[Piling]

Does a foreign correspondent become a part of the country they correspond from? Do I become malaysian for living in malaysia and writing about malaysia? Nope. Westerners who live in japan for decades, still get called gaijin by the japanese. I lived a long time in europe, i'm still called immigrant. So your logic doesn't make sense.

I was not a correspondent but in any case I don't say I am a Kurd (thanks I don't want their felek ) I just say I know them.

Guess what? I lived my entire life in a kurdish family.

So you don't know yourself. We only know ourselves with an external look and watch.

My DNA is kurdish.

The way you react, all your posts show your uncertain and anxious confused identity. DNA ? Lol !

And edward said, grew up and lived in palestinian mandate.

No he bornt and was brought up in Egypt. His father was a wealthy trader and then he was sent in USA.

And that's bullshit. Edward Said never commented on Anfal campaign. He wasn't pro or anti-kurdish

In fact, as palestinian and as a pro Arab, he was anti Kurdish :

http://rudaw.net/english/yourrudaw-26062013000624

[Feyli_kord]

I was not a correspondent but in any case I don't say I am a Kurd (thanks I don't want their felek ) I just say I know them.

But according to yourself, you're kurdish. Your logic=Living, means you're a part of. So you're kurdish right?

So you don't know yourself. We only know ourselves with an external look and watch.

That's obtuse. No i know myself well. I like arguing however.

The way you react, all your posts show your uncertain and anxious confused identity. DNA ? Lol !.

What is anxious about it? So even mentioning DNA makes one anxious? I mentioned DNA as one part of what makes a person kurdish. Merely mentioning DNA makes PC westerners jump to saying "anxiety and confused" . It's a part of identity, and mocking it, isn't going to change that. Kurds do have a DNA pattern. Whether you agree with that or not, doesn't change the fact. I didn't say it was conclusive, only that it's part of it.

I'm glad you find it amusing. I find it amusing that you shut your eyes to reality.

No he bornt and was brought up in Egypt. His father was a wealthy trader and then he was sent in USA.

Doesn't argue against what i said.

In fact, as palestinian and as a pro Arab, he was anti Kurdish :

http://rudaw.net/english/yourrudaw-26062013000624

He was pro palestinian, he wasn't pro-arab, he supported saddam because he thought western powers were being hypocrites. Regardless, my interest in him doesn't have to do with his political stances. It has to with his accurate and well-studied narratives on cultural perception in the western and eastern spheres. You don't have to agree with every topic a person talks about.

[Shirko]

@ Piling, kindly explain to us how being pro Palestinian makes you anti-Kurd? I am a Kurd wgobis pro Palestinian, hhmm how is that posible?

[Feyli_kord]

@ Piling, kindly explain to us how being pro Palestinian makes you anti-Kurd? I am a Kurd wgobis pro Palestinian, hhmm how is that posible?

She says that Edward said is anti-kurdish, because he said that saddam didn't gas anyone. That's a dumb thing to say, from edward said. I also know a sudanese guy who used to support saddam and lived in iraq in the 80s. He said that long after, 2003 when they found out that baath were lying he changed his mind and became pro-kurdish instead. I think many people were pro-saddam, just because they're anti-USA. They didn't know what a dirty disgusting dictator he is. Westeners also love him because the baath were secular.

Either way, I never said i agreed with edward saids stance on saddam or him being pro-arab and anti-kurdish, i only said that i find his views on orientalism interesting. Pointing out that he's anti-kurdish, doesn't discredit his non-political work.

[Piling]

HZKurdi wrote:
@ Piling, kindly explain to us how being pro Palestinian makes you anti-Kurd? I am a Kurd wgobis pro Palestinian, hhmm how is that posible?

A pro Palestinian Kurd is not anti Kurdistan (only Kurdish Jihadists are now) but Palestinians were anti Kurdish and are still, I guess.

Because during 80s and 90s Palestinians of PLO were allies with Saddam Hussein (some others, like PKK, have chosen the Syrian side) and were supported by Arab countries in the name of "Arab cause' against 'Imperialism' and 'Sionism" and Kurds were considered as Sionists' dogs used to divide the Great Arab Nation (especially Mustafa Barzani).

Palestinian militias were sent to S. Kurdistan to fight against Barzani (who was considered as a Jewish agent). Other fighters were sent from Arab countries (Egypt, Maghreb) to Kurdish mountains for fighting peshmergas. At this time there was an International Arab cause as now there is an International Jihadist fight.

And guess what ? from Arab cause period to Jihad Period, Kurds have always been seen as the black sheeps.

During 70s and 80s, though, some Kurds fought with Palestinians for a Great Cause of Middle East, hoping that after the defeat of USA/ISrael/Imperialist side, happiness and democracy will reign in Middle East and that Arabs will give their rights to Kurds.

So Arabs told them : liberate Jerusalem at first and then we will live as brothers.

Exactly like Leftist Turks told in the same time to Northern Kurds : After communism in Turkey, we will be all brothers.

But the trouble is they think : We will be ARAB brothers or TURKISH brothers.

So except a few bunch of Kurdish communists and now Kurdish islamists, no Kurds believe seriously that Palestinians or Iraqis or Egyptians will support the Kurdish cause.

Many Kurds think that Israel is wrong and Palestinians have the right of their own State. Being a pro-Palestinian for a Kurd NOW does not mean he is anti Kurdistan. It means that he is fair and logical : Kurdish rights and Palestinian rights are the same issue. You can't say Palestinians have the right of independence and not Kurds, or the contrary. But being a pro-Palestinan during 80s-90s was just being fooled. Palestinians were used by Saddam against Kurds and Iraqis (especially Shiites) and never wanted to accept Kurdish claims.

I have never heard that Palestinians support the Kurdish freedom. If there are, they are not numerous. Edward Said is not an exception : Palestinian cause was funded, armed and supported by Iraq (as tools or puppets), and then an Arab state could not be wrong against Iran or Kurds.

There was also another reason : Edward Said was a Christian Arab, and they are more inclined to support Baath as a way to prevent islamism.

They were 2 Arabs who did support Kurdish claims : Nasser and Khadafi (and the last mostly because he did hate Arab League).

[Shirko]

I think the Kurdish issue needs to be marketed ths right way, and seperated from the ather national causes, at least the ones that are not in conflict Kurdish cause.

And Piling, I think yoy aee wrong about Feyli_Kord, I don't think he has identiy issues lkke you say, he is more stable, secure and practical than most of the others I see around.

[Piling]

he is more stable, secure and practical than most of the others I see around.

Then I guess you are doctor in a psychiatric hospital.

[Feyli_kord]

he is more stable, secure and practical than most of the others I see around.

Then I guess you are doctor in a psychiatric hospital.

So anyone who doesn't conform to your PC liberal identity perspective is mentally ill. That is billions of people, including the majority of french people. I can only tell you that only the french believe in civic nations.

[Piling]

Currently, KRG is going to build a 'Kurdistanî citizenship' not a Kurdish one which includes then Chaldeans, Assyrians, Turkmens, and even Roms now and later probably all the Chinese, Ethiopian, Bengali workers who are working there and might stay definitively.

So in Erbil they see further than you and your so called Kurdish DNA.

[Anthea]

@ Feyli_kord you believe that you know all about how Kurdish people think and feel - if fact even if you knew the entire worldwide Kurdish population - you would NEVER know anything about how the Kurdish women think and feel because they are bought up to suppress their feelings in front of men - they only discuss their true feeling with other women - which both Piling and myself know a great deal more about 50 % of the Kurdish population than you or any other Kurdish man will ever know

[Anthea]

Just to remind you that the title of this topic is:

are kurdish men faithful?

and originally posted and re-posted as a serious question in the hope of gaining a few insights and possible answers to personal dilemmas

[Feyli_kord]

Currently, KRG is going to build a 'Kurdistanî citizenship' not a Kurdish one which includes then Chaldeans, Assyrians, Turkmens, and even Roms now and later probably all the Chinese, Ethiopian, Bengali workers who are working there and might stay definitively.

So in Erbil they see further than you and your so called Kurdish DNA.

Lol, please don't lecture us. Seeing how very sucessful french integration and assimilation models work( they rank bottom in europe). The ones based on abstract civic nations. You should ask the north-africans and africans, who live in absolute bottom in the french banlieus, how well everything worked, because the french government saw "further". They'd laugh at you. Because they know reality well, and they know how stupid the idea of univeralism is, and how two-faced french society is, which is inclusive to the christian and european descent communities only. While most of the others are left to live in shoddy futureless banlieus, working shitty blue collar jobs at best. When your country fixes its problems with its non-european minorities. Then come talk to me about inclusiveness and seeing things "further"


Bengals, ethiopians, and chinese are unlikely to get citizenship. Because the kurdish government is adopting a dubai model.They'll only give citizenship to other iraqis. When i visited baghdad, they treated bengals especially poorly. I have a hard time seeing bengals being given citizenship. As for chinese people, i doubt they want kurdish citizenship. They're only there for buisness, not permanent settlement.

@ Feyli_kord you believe that you know all about how Kurdish people think and feel - if fact even if you knew the entire worldwide Kurdish population - you would NEVER know anything about how the Kurdish women think and feel because they are bought up to suppress their feelings in front of men - they only discuss their true feeling with other women - which both Piling and myself know a great deal more about 50 % of the Kurdish population than you or any other Kurdish man will ever know

Whatever you say. I'm sure english women are more important to kurdish women than kurdish men. After all, kurdish and english relationships are superb, and all kurdish women have english female friends. Seriously, come up with better stuff.

[SadKurdLover]

Anthea thanks for bringing the focus back around to the subject of the thread. I may pm you as you suggested but will give some info here as frankly now I don't care if he is indentified.

Suffice to say more information has come to light regarding my 'partner' and he is one of the worst type of men. I have discovered another woman who he has been with for over a year and he has been seeing us both this week. He told her lies that my baby is not his, I'm not a good woman and I went to Turkey on holiday and came back pregnant and tried to say it was his after a one night stand, and that he has ordered me to have a DNA test.

He asked her to lie to me and tell me she was just a friend and not to listen to me as I was nuts etc. She did so initially but when I told her that he was telling me last night how much he loved me and kissing my baby bump saying he wants us to get married and be a family for life she decided it wasn't fair to lie and told me everything. My baby will be here in 3 weeks.

We both confronted him tonight together and he just walked away, got in the lift and kept walking away from the flats, wouldn't come back or speak to us. What a coward. Then he was texting both of us later on saying sorry and that he wants each of us back. I wish I had never seen his face and although it hurts like hell it's my kids I feel sorry for the most, not myself.
So in answer to the title of the thread....no this Kurdish man is definitely not faithful.

[Anthea]

Anthea thanks for bringing the focus back around to the subject of the thread. I may pm you as you suggested but will give some info here as frankly now I don't care if he is indentified.

Suffice to say more information has come to light regarding my 'partner' and he is one of the worst type of men. I have discovered another woman who he has been with for over a year and he has been seeing us both this week. He told her lies that my baby is not his, I'm not a good woman and I went to Turkey on holiday and came back pregnant and tried to say it was his after a one night stand, and that he has ordered me to have a DNA test.

He asked her to lie to me and tell me she was just a friend and not to listen to me as I was nuts etc. She did so initially but when I told her that he was telling me last night how much he loved me and kissing my baby bump saying he wants us to get married and be a family for life she decided it wasn't fair to lie and told me everything. My baby will be here in 3 weeks.

We both confronted him tonight together and he just walked away, got in the lift and kept walking away from the flats, wouldn't come back or speak to us. What a coward. Then he was texting both of us later on saying sorry and that he wants each of us back. I wish I had never seen his face and although it hurts like hell it's my kids I feel sorry for the most, not myself.
So in answer to the title of the thread....no this Kurdish man is definitely not faithful.

OH MY GOD !

I am so very very sorry - I feel like crying - what a SHIT

So close to the birth - I hope your upset does not stress your baby out

Hang on if this SHIT actually lives miles away from you I wonder how many other women he has made use of - perhaps you should name and shame him on facebook