Demands for Kurdistan borders:

[Diri]

[Piling]

The borders of the Treaty are not valuable nowadays. It does not correspond to the current settlement of Kurds. For example, Urfa is out of Kurdistan, then it is one of the most populalted area ! The same problem with Van. After the WWI, it was a quite empty place, because of Armenian genocide and the war. Now Van (which was, historical, an Armenian city) is the greatest Kurdish metropolis, more populated than Diyarbakir in fact. And Kurds from Eastern Syria are forgotten, probably because in 1926 Syrian Jazireh, what French called "le Bec de Canard" (Duck Beak, loot at a map of Syria it is easy to understand), was a strategical buffer-zone between Frenc-English interests.

The good borders could be a kind of compromise between the Petition 1919 borders (red) and the 1945's (pink). But please, don't take Mosul, let it to Arabs or even Assyrians if they like troubles !

[Rumtaya]

But please, don't take Mosul, let it to Arabs or even Assyrians if they like troubles !

why troubles??????

[Piling]

Because Mosul is a hornetcomb, a place full of crazy fanatics, more dangerous than Fallujah... Christians there fled it toward Kurdistan for the moment.

And a friend, an Assyrian told me that when he was a boy he went to study in Mosul and Muslim Arabs were already fanatic at this time, threatening and insulting Christians. He said that the right side of Mosul was hostile to them, so Christians live whith Kurds, at the northern area.

[Rumtaya]

Well the right side of todays Mousl is what was the capital of old Assyrian Empire Nineveh.

And those Arabs i spit on them they think they are the best and they can treat nonarabs/muslims as a piece of shit but they will be soon kicked out of Nothern Mesoptamia!

Yes i heard that Assyrians fleed the City they went to Arbil,Zakho, Nineveh Plains, Nohadra(dohuk) and other places which are controled by Kurds.

[Piling]

It is very specific to Iraqis, for in Syria, for example, Arabs are not like that with Christians, Turkmens, Greeks, and even Kurds (except baasists). Syrian government are a bunch of gangsters but I never heard that in Syria Muslims persecute Christians or insult them... Even Arabs' attacks agains tKurds is a result of heavy propaganda and not from all the population... There's something special in Iraq. The same friend told me that he went in South, he entered in a small restaurant, and the owner, a shiite, broke the glass in which he has drunken for it was not "pure" after a Christian touched it (they make the same thing with Jews and I guess Sunnis sometimes). Iraqis seem to be a little narrow-minded sometimes (of course not in high or middle class in Baghdad).

[Rumtaya]

To Syria we(Assyrians) allways use to say we have the best Kurds lool against those kurds in irak,iran and turkey. the same to arabs.

But i think its cause the Bathist in Syria are link winged and didnt opreesed so much like Saddam. Also you cant compare Hafiz al Azad with Saddam Huessein.

I would say Hafiz Assad did care about his people what Saddam didnt. Just see how Saddam rasied his children up and look how the children of Hafiz al Assad did.


They Arabs are strange of Iraq also the Assyrians are other then those Assyrians in Syria.

[Piling]

Hafez al Asad did not persecute minorities in Syria because Alawis are themselve a religious minority, so the man was clever and knew that he had no reason to fear Kurds and Christians, but Sunni Islamists. Now his son Bashar seems less skillfull in policy...

[Rumtaya]

Yes right thats the point the Goverment in Syira is also build or ruled by a member of an religious minority.

And you are right Bashar al Assad isnt so skilled like his father was the man was a great politic he knew how to handle problems and he suppourtet kurds against turkey so suppourtet PKK but that also cause syria had trouble with turkey.

[tomjez]

he suppourtet kurds against turkey so suppourtet PKK but that also cause syria had trouble with turkey.

He did not support them because he was a good man

And he supported them BECAUSE he had problem with Turkey and wanted to have a way to pressure turkey...question of Water, and Alexandrette (Iskenderun) Sandjak that Syria still wants to annex (a bit like armenians and there "western armenia" except there ARE arabs in "Hatay" (Iskenderun district...)

[Piling]

And Kani Yilmaz (just before leaving the PKK) stated that Kurds were very very happy and free in Syria...

In fact öcalan was very happy in syria, nice villa, piscine (with sea water especially brought by trucks, etc). So there was at least ONE Kurd happy in Syria.

[Rumtaya]

ok i think we are just off topic it might annoy diri if we dont give comment to the topic he opend.

my opinion about a kurdistan is: southeast turkey(taurus),irak(northeast) and iran(zagros).

[Piling]

I add a small piece of North-Eastern Syria, which is a part of Botan, a historical region of Kurdistan.

[Rumtaya]

can you show me what you mean with botan the part of noertheast syria?

[Piling]

the province of Jazireh Botan was a cultural heart of Kurds, where started the first Kurdish poets like Malayê Cizirî... Even Xanî when he wrote mem û zîn used Botî language. The court of the princes of Cizîr was very bright and active. When i wrote in KBU I have posted something about this capital :

http://kurdistanblog.blogspot.com/2004/ ... istan.html

Jazireh Botan has been divided between Syria and Turkey it is the same area. And the Boti language is the sweetest Kurdish, I think.