Help needed about Roj TV

[dyaoko]

Turkey has always been not only an important U.S. ally, but also a regional model of tolerance

I adore it, especially in 1925, 1937-1938, 1980, 1992, etc...

would you please explain more about those dates ... I know nothing about it..

[Piling]

1925 is one of the first great Kursish revolts in Turkey, led by Shaikh Said.
193-38 was the great revolt of Dersim with a terrible repression which made hundreds of thousands of victims and that has genocidary characteristics against Dersimi.

September 12th 1980 is the date of the military putsch in Turkey, that set a brutal dictatorship in Turkey (not only for Kurds). 1992-93 were the worst years of wars in Northern Kurdistan, with a lot of burnt vilages, extra-judiciary killings, and for the Newroz military shoting the ppl in the streets.

Well There are other black periods, but these years were bad.

[dyaoko]

so sad... i have to study these thigns , I know nothing about north kurdistan...where should I study that ?

is shekh said , the first kurdish revlotuionary leader ? [1925 is so much sooner than Barzani]

by the way , Tom were your critcts about Michael Rubin or about the writer of the Rasti Blog ?

[tomjez]

About Rubin!

And by the way

I know nothing about north kurdistan

So strop criticizing for my views about PKK

[dyaoko]

So strop criticizing for my views about PKK

ok sir !

the reason that I critic you , is , I hardly seen you say anything against turkish governmetn , when I saw you criticed Micheal Rubin , i said , Oh Lord is true ? Tom is agreeing with me ? he he ...

so I dobthed that you may had been saying sarcasm .

[tomjez]

No no sarcasm

Why don't I criticize turkish gov??? BECAUSE IT IS TOO OBVIOUS

What is not so obvious is that things tend to get better, and that PKK is a today big dirty obstacle and a stupid useless organisation....there we disagree I guess!

[Vladimir]

First Rubin was praising Kurdistan. Then he says Kurdistan is totally corrupt. Now he is praising Turkey. This guy doesn't know what he wants.

And he clearly knows nothing about Turkey.

[dyaoko]

And he clearly knows nothing about Turkey.
This guy doesn't know what he wants.

this guy is a member of JINSA , Jewish institure of National Security of America.

how such a person that works for a security organization, doenst know about Turkey, and doenst know whats happening ?
the problem is , this guy is dirty person , all he do and all he says , is for Benefits .
if Evil be in his benefit, the Evil is the model of democray .

First Rubin was praising Kurdistan. Then he says Kurdistan is totally corrupt. Now he is praising Turkey.

I have read some of his articles parasing SOUTH kurdistan [no other kurdistans],
they are like this :

"Northern Iraqi Peopel are so good, they have a lot of whore, that whenever I go to there, I sleep with them , while I drink whisky freely, this means democrasy....I love them... these northern iraqi shits obviously hate islam and muslems we must support these northern iraqi shits against sunni arabs....."

honsetly , I rather read Turkish Media propagenda's against kurdistan, than Michel Rubin's Pro Northern Iraq .
infact those pro-northerm iraq articles are more to their own benefit than ours.

[heval]

A question ...(mainly for all the people who like to criticize everything all the time and seem to enjoy the conspiracy that Kurdistan TV has something against ROJ)... did you see the program they aired today on Kurdistan TV? They invited a few different people who work for ROJ TV and discussed the possibility of ROJ being shut down, what measuers are being taken to stop it, and the importance of ROJ TV for the Kurdish people.

It was interesting to see a ROJ TV reporter on Kurdistan TV. I started watching the program a little late, but it seemed like they spoke with the ROJ TV reporter directly from the ROJ studios (so at first when I turned on my TV, I was confused because I thought I was watching ROJ, and in the US, we only get ROJ through the Internet so that was impossible - then I realized it was Kurdistan TV )

Anyways, several guests including members of the DTP were invited to the program on Kurdistan TV. The Vice Chair of the DTP said that even if ROJ TV were shut down tomorrow, another would be open in it's place, and that ROJ and MED are the voice of the Kurdish people, and no one can silence it.

[tomjez]

About this "the voice of kurdish people" stuff

Don't you think that saying all the time that ROJ is the voice of kurdish people is a little mean for all the others TV, RADIO, Papers, newssites, etc, who try to give an other point of view?
There are probably some good stuff on ROJ but it is supposed to be "the voice of its master". Roj, and MED, and MEDYA before works with PKK money and gives a pro pkk approach: so saying it's "the-voice-of-kurdish-people" is to consider that PKK is the voice of all kurds, which anyone with a little amount of brains knows to be a non sense: PKK was against even a federal solution in Irak, and told western kurds to shut up in Newroz 2004...

ROJ is a point of view, but not "the voice of all kurds".

[kardox]

I am only against the closer of roj TV because its "kurdish". I used to watch it , but after being familiar with the pkk and their mentally and methods and approaches I never watch it unless there is a good music video on it. After what APO said and what pkk have done all these years I dont get that there are still people saying biji serok APO. The latest campaign of "democratic republic" is just bullshit. MIT just uses pkk to obtain its goals. PKK needs to take distance to öcelan and choose a new leader and clear up its ranks and just erase what ever link to communism it has.

[Piling]

I am against the closure of Roj TV because it is anti-democratic. I just would like that all the people and especially "Kurdish supporters of the PKK" would protest so energically when the PKK kills or prevent other Kurdish movement to exist.

[dyaoko]

Roj TV is not a prefect TV , but by my idea, Roj TV can claim they are voice of kurds "more" than Kurd Sat and Kurdistan TV.
simply because they have no fear to critic, Syria, Iran , Turkey , Iraq.

Tom, just becuase ROJ TV is made by PKK money , it doenst mean you have to hate it. sometimes .you are like a hardheaded child.
whats the problem of PKK's doing a good job ? which is Roj TV.

if you are against Roj TV because it is a TV for a party, you must be against KurdSat and Kurdistan TV too, becasue they are so so so much more a Party TV.

and by my idea, Roj TV is still a less "Party TV" than KurdSat and Kurdistan TV , I HARDLY heard a word about Easst Kurdistan Riots in KurdSat and Kurdistan TV . I hardly see KurdSat and KurditsanTV without GREEN and YELLOW flags (party flags)

even though I have prety critical look to ochalan and PKK , but I am against colsure of Roj Tv, because it is the best kurdish tv that is for all kurds , at least it is more for "me" than kurdsat/Kurditstan TV is for "me". [as an eastern kurd]

[tomjez]

Agree with Piling and Kardox...Yeah we got that you liked Roj Tv because it talked about eastern kurds...

[Diri]

Agree with Piling and Kardox...Yeah we got that you liked Roj Tv because it talked about eastern kurds...

Tom... You are too anti-Roj JUST because of PKK... You should try to find some other reason for being anti-Roj - because "Yeah we got that you..."