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Are there Persians in Iran?

PostAuthor: oslonor » Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:29 pm

Azeri Turks Views:

The name Persia is a misunderstanding by the Western historians. Iran was always called Iranzamin ( The Land of Iran) and people in Iran are Iranians and not Persians. Iranian and Persian are the same thing. There are no Persians in Iran. Persian is only a language. There are no such people in Iran. All the people in Iran are "Iranians".

The Persian View:
Iranian and Persian are not the same thing. Yes. Iran has been called Iranzamin (the Land of Iran) or Iranshahr (Iran City). Ferdowsi's book from 1000 years ago mentions IranZamin or "The Land of Iran". But people of Iran were not called "Iranians". They were called Sogdians,Parthians, Bactrians,Khorasanis, Khuzis, Persians, Medes etc. Also different parts of Iran were called Pars,Parthia,Bactria, Sogdia, Khorasan, Media etc. We rarely see the term Iran or IranShahr or IranZamin used to describe these parts.

"Iranian" was not used to denote all the people of Iran. "Iranian" is a modern concept since 18 century and simply means the citizens of Iran of any ethnic race. The term "Iranian" has no historical and ethnic or racial significance.

Persian history states that Persians built the Persian Empire. Parthians defeated the Greek Army of Alexander after Alexander the Great death in Babylon and saved Persia from Greek invaders. Alexander the Great could not defeat the Bactrians. Alexander the Great married a Persian princess, Roxxana from Sogdia. There was a Persian Empire and a Parthian Empire. But there was never any "Iranian Empire" in Persian history.

Persian history never states that "Iranians" did this or that as Azeri Turks imaginary history claims.

Replacing the term Persian with "Iranian" Azeri Turks are trying to include themselves in some imaginary history of Persia when Azeri Turks did not even live in Iran. Azeri Turks presence in Iran is mainly from 15 century A.D.

Azeri Turks change the meaning of the term "Iranian" from the citizens of Iran to a concept which has both racial and cultural meaning. That is Azeri Turks since they are citizens of Iran then they are racially related to the natives of Iran. Also for Azeri Turks the concept of "Iranian" assumes such powers that transfers the culture of Kurds and Persians and others to Azeri Turks and they become "Iranians". All this nonsense is to provide Azeri Turks a political platform to hold on to power in Iran.

The way to achieve these objectives is to prove that there was no Persian Empire and it was an "Iranian Empire". And Azeri Turks are "Iranians" and are inheritors of history and traditions of "Iranian Empire" as Azeri Turk Shirin Ebadi claims.

Azeri Turk Shirin Ebadi the Nobel Peace Prize winner claims in a speech when receiving the Nobel Prize in Oslo, Norway:

"I am an Iranian and a descedant of Cyrus the Great Iranian Empire!!!!!"

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PostAuthor: Piling » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:04 am

Seriously, who cares HERE, of this mess between Azeris and Farsis ? Or have you got another wonderful theory about Kurds ?
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PostAuthor: oslonor » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:30 am

Piling wrote:Seriously, who cares HERE, of this mess between Azeris and Farsis ? Or have you got another wonderful theory about Kurds ?


It seems you do not know what is going on. Azeri Turks are planning to dividie up Kurdistan between Iran and Turkey under Pan-Iranism slogans.
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PostAuthor: oslonor » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:03 am

What is "Iranian"?

1. The Azeri Turk Saffavids regime in 16 century, executed more than 70.000 persians only in Isfahan. They also killed millions of Zoarastrian and imposed the Shia religion on Iran.

2. The current Azeri Turk regime in Tehran has executed 200.000 people. It is still stoning people. Everybody in Iran agrees that this regime has no "Iranian" or "Persian" culture. Culturally they are related to primitive Turk tribes in Caucasus where they originate.

3. Iranian is a modern concept since 18 century. Iranian defines the citizens of Iran regardless of their ethnic background.

4. Iranian is a meaningless term as it is used by Azeri Turks.Azeri Turks use "Iranian" in a racial, ethnic and cultural meaning.

5. Azeri Turks should be described as Azeri turks who inhabit Iran. The term "Iranian" confuses the issues and assigns imaginary properties to Azeri Turks.

6. Azeri Turks relation to Iran in terms of culture is very similar to the situation of Kurds in Turkey. Kurds in Turkey are considered Non-Turks in Turkish society. Azeri Turks have a similar relation to the natives of Iran. Azeri Turks are "Non-Iranians".

7. Non-Iranians think that "Iranian" is something similar to a German. That is Germany and Germans. That is not what "Iranian" mean. Others think "Iranian" is similar to an American which can mean any race or ethnic group in US. "Iranian" is not even equal to an American. The reason is that US is a developed nation state and Americans identify themselves with Americanism. Iran is not even a nation state in that sense. The ethnic identity in Iran is stronger than the label "Iranian". It is similar to if Californians had their own ethnic identity which was stronger than being an American.

8. Azeris use "Iranian" as if it was equal to a German.
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PostAuthor: Arashi » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:06 am

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PostAuthor: oslonor » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:09 am

Arashi wrote:Indeed! We Persians and Kurds must join arms and rid ourselves of these Azari Turk oppressors! :twisted: They are obviously at fault for everything! Death to Azaris!


Actually you are the same azeri turk who I had a discussion with on the Iran defence forum.
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PostAuthor: Arashi » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:10 am

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PostAuthor: oslonor » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:17 am

Arashi wrote:
oslonor wrote:
Arashi wrote:Indeed! We Persians and Kurds must join arms and rid ourselves of these Azari Turk oppressors! :twisted: They are obviously at fault for everything! Death to Azaris!


Actually you are the same azeri turk who I had a discussion with on the Iran defence forum.


Awwww, you remember me :) I thought we came to the conclusion that YOU are the Azari Turk, and you never dared to show your Azari Turk face in that forum again. :wink:


This is a Kurdish forum. The Kurds can recognize who is a Persian or talk like a Persian and who is an Azeri Turk. This is because of their ancient relation with Persians. Ask them?
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PostAuthor: Arashi » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:19 am

oslonor wrote:
Arashi wrote:
oslonor wrote:
Arashi wrote:Indeed! We Persians and Kurds must join arms and rid ourselves of these Azari Turk oppressors! :twisted: They are obviously at fault for everything! Death to Azaris!


Actually you are the same azeri turk who I had a discussion with on the Iran defence forum.


Awwww, you remember me :) I thought we came to the conclusion that YOU are the Azari Turk, and you never dared to show your Azari Turk face in that forum again. :wink:


This is a Kurdish forum. The Kurds can recognize who is a Persian or talk like a Persian and who is an Azeri Turk. This is because of their ancient relation with Persians. Ask them?


Yes, let's ask the same Kurd you just accused of being Azari Turk...
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PostAuthor: oslonor » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:22 am

Mr. Piling is an Azeri Turk. He does not even care that Kurdistan is being divided up. I am now sure both of you are Azeri turks. You just confirmed it.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:11 am

oslonor wrote:Mr. Piling is an Azeri Turk. He does not even care that Kurdistan is being divided up. I am now sure both of you are Azeri turks. You just confirmed it.


Oslonor... :lol:

You liar...

"Oslonor"? "Oslo - Norway"? Well why the hell did you not reply to the Norwegian message I sent you once, huh? :lol:

Sometimes you claim to be from Norway/Scandinavia and sometimes you claim to be from California... :lol:

Enough non-sense already...

Piling is FRENCH... NOT Kurdish! Hahaha :lol:
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PostAuthor: oslonor » Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:25 am

Diri wrote:
oslonor wrote:Mr. Piling is an Azeri Turk. He does not even care that Kurdistan is being divided up. I am now sure both of you are Azeri turks. You just confirmed it.


Oslonor... :lol:

You liar...

"Oslonor"? "Oslo - Norway"? Well why the hell did you not reply to the Norwegian message I sent you once, huh? :lol:

Sometimes you claim to be from Norway/Scandinavia and sometimes you claim to be from California... :lol:

Enough non-sense already...

Piling is FRENCH... NOT Kurdish! Hahaha :lol:


Mr. Diri: You have been far from Kurdistan for a long time. Mr. Piling is either an Azeri Turk or somebody who follows their line. It is the same thing. That is relevant. Mr. Piling just writes some nonsense and does not make statements.

Secondly I read your message in Norwegian. I responded to you. So what is your point? I speak 4 languages.

I have defended the Kurds. I see your attitude does not show any Kurdish culture. You are a westernized Kurd.

From Reading your posts, you do not even know the difference between a Persian and an Azeri Turk. You mostly talk in Westernized slogans. You do not know much about the region.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:48 am

Look Oslonor - you did NOT respond to my message - I am refering to the time I sent you pictures to add to your flash-video of Kurdish phenotypes...

Now tell me - what the hell are you talking about?

Westernized Kurd?

The real question is, WHAT ARE YOU, OSLONOR???

ARE YOU PERSIAN? AZERI TURK? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU?
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PostAuthor: Piling » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:47 pm

Mr. Piling is an Azeri Turk. He does not even care that Kurdistan is being divided up. I am now sure both of you are Azeri turks. You just confirmed it.


Bi rastî. Ev panzdeh sal in, li hemberê Tirk, Farsî, Ereb, ez bi welatparêzên kurdî dixebitim...

Ji ber vê yekê, armanca min parvekirina Kurdistan e. çi qas gelên ferensî fenok in ! :lol:



Piling is FRENCH... NOT Kurdish! Hahaha


Diri : perhaps French are worse than Azeri, who knows ?

Oslonor I will say you something more horrible : I am not a MISTER but a MISS !
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PostAuthor: UE_kurdophile » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:11 pm

I am glad I am not the only one who thought Piling was a "macho" Kurdish man! :D :lol:

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