Are there Persians in Iran?

[Diri]

I am glad I am not the only one who thought Piling was a "macho" Kurdish man!

Hahahaha

Over a year ago - when I registered here, I knew right away that Piling was a lady - and not a mister...

I don't know why you people think she is a he... Is it perhaps because she is sophisticated and speaks like an intelligent lady?

[Shevin]

haha LOL XD ok oslonor...who are u to say we are not kurdish??? we're kurdish as u are a blended s***** ;D thats clear

[oslonor]

There is no ethnic group called Iranian in Iran. Iranians just means all citizens of Iran.

Slide show on Persians and Azeri Turks and afghans.

Persians %20 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 1341/show/

Azeri Turks %40 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 8250/show/

Afghan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 4438/show/

Kurds
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12987669@N ... 0248/show/


More on Persians and Hollywood
http://oslonor.blogspot.com/

[Arashi]

There is no ethnic group called Iranian in Iran. Iranians just means all citizens of Iran.

Slide show on Persians and Azeri Turks and afghans.

Persians %20 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 1341/show/

Azeri Turks %40 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 8250/show/

Afghan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 4438/show/

Kurds
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12987669@N ... 0248/show/


More on Persians and Hollywood
http://oslonor.blogspot.com/

Why are you posting facts about Persians in a Kurdish forum? I don't think they're interested in hearing it.

[Piling]

I am glad I am not the only one who thought Piling was a "macho" Kurdish man!

I am worse that a macho. I am a French-Turkish-Azeri, if I've catch the point...

Oslonor, no one here is interesting by your mad stuff. We are all Azeri traitors, probably. Just try valium.

Dîrî : I am a macho lady

[Shevin]

glad for u to find ur identiy LOOOL XD

[kurdistani]

Oslonor... race does not have an necessitive link with ethnicity... nor does ethnicity ahve a necessitive link with nationalism...

I dont understadn what your politics are oslonor...
can you explain it to me....? and why are you always accusing people of being Azeri Turks?

[oslonor]

Oslonor... race does not have an necessitive link with ethnicity... nor does ethnicity ahve a necessitive link with nationalism...

I dont understadn what your politics are oslonor...
can you explain it to me....? and why are you always accusing people of being Azeri Turks?

I agree some Kurds may not be realy Kurds but who have adopted the Kurdish language. Also Core Persians (Aryan Migrants) are only %15-%20 of Iran. %35 of Iran are Persian speakers who have other origin.

Also I have a question for you. I read somewhere that Kurds in Saqez in Iran and areas around it were actually Parthian or Scythian settlement who adopted the Kurdish language. Do you know anything about it?

However, But we are talking on simple level here:
When you talk about Kurds, then you say Kurds are Kurds. Now we are discussing Persians and Azeri Turks, some people say they are all Iranians!!!!!!

No. we are discussing on a different level. Kurds are Kurds. Persians are Persians. And Azeri Turks are Azeri Turks. That is simple. And they have different language, culture and even how they look like.

You can read Azeri Turk agenda here:

[oslonor]

Iranian Nationalism as a Modern Creation

Did people call themselves "Iranian" and were they "Iranian" Nationalist in ancient times? Is the current regime "Iranian Nationalism" based on Persian traditions or Azeri turk Saffavids policies?

The main conflict in the regime is not the conflict between Moderate Islamist and the "Radical" Islamist. There are many Islamic countries around Iran and none look like Iran. Religion is completely irrelavant in Iran. The main conflict is between Pan-Turk Azeris and the Natives of Iran.

The current Azeri regime in Tehran is a copy of Saffavids Azeri Turk regime in 16 century. It follows all its policies, from "Iranian Racial Nationalism" to use of force and mass murder. "Iranian Racial nationalism" is very similar to German Nazism and that is what Mr. Ahmadinejad is pursuing. The only difference within the Pan-Turk Azeris is with those who claim they are "secular" Pan-Turks. They agree on objectives but they want to carry their "Iranian Racial nationalism" with "democratic and Pluralistic" methods.

Contrary to claims by Azeris, the traditions of Persian Empire was not based on "ethnic Iranian Nationalism" but on cultural bonds and values of very diverse nations which were included in the Persian Empire. The ideology and traditions of Russian Empire was based on the Persian Empire. What Azeris recommend is the Azeri Turk Saffavids regime from 16 century which is similar to Nazi Germany than to the Persian traditions.

This is exactly the reason that Azeris manufacture lies about the origin of Azeris as "Iranian Aryans" and they are "mixed with Persians, Kurds" and anybody else they can find. They borrow this ideology and terminology from Jewish Liberal "Nazist" associated with the democratic party in USA.

The following article claims that "Iranian Nationalism" is an ancient ideology and recommends suppression of ethnic groups in Iran under the cover of fighting tribalism and "separatism". Azeri Turk authors are followers of Azeri Saffavids aims of "Iranian Nationalis" but claims this could be done in a "pluralistic and democratic way".

Contrary to its claims it recommends a strong state modelled on Saffavid Azeri Turks model from 16 century and wants to have ethnic cleansing of tribes and creation of an "Iranian nation" which is actually an "Azeri Turk Iranian Nation."



Azeri Views on Iranian Nationalism
Iranians and Iran have remained a nation and a country in much of the last 2,500 years. The Euro-centric belief argues that: (1) “nation” is a European construct; (2) the origins of the nation-state began in Europe after the peace of Westphalia in 1648; and (3) the other constructions of nationhood in the Thirds World are artificial imitations of the Europeans who had colonized them and taught them about the notion of nation. This Euro-centric perspective has made many to argue that Iranian nationalism is an artificial construction of recent times. A typical rendition of this argument is Joya Blondel Saad, The Image of Arabs in Modern Persian Literature (Lanham, MD; University Press of America, 1996). Saad writes that Iranian nationalism is the invention of the 18th and 19th century Europeans, that Iranians borrowed it from the Europeans, and that Iranian nationalists are anti-Arab racists.

Anyone who is familiar with the pre-Islamic history of Iran, the resistance to the Arab-Islamic conquest of Iran, and the existence of cultural articulation of Iranian nationhood by many including Ferdowsi, the 10th century poet, knows that Saad’s view is clearly mistaken.

Therefore, the sense of Iranian-ness is very old and is NOT an artificial imitation of Western nationalism in the post-Westphalian world. The sentiment and ethos of Iranian-ness goes back at least 2,500 years as reflected in the writings of Cyrus the Great and Dariush. It is also reflected in the resistance Iranians carried against foreign conquest of their motherland in the past 2,500 years.

Was Iran a country with territorial integrity under Safavids? Yes. Were Safavids Persian? No. Safavids were Azerbaijanis. They did choose Shia Islam and with the force of the sword killed and forced hitherto Sunni Iranians to convert to Shia Islam. Was it necessary to kill and/or convert Iranians to Shia in order to create a “nation-state,” or was there a pluralistic and non-violent way?

The fact of the matter is that our Azerbaijanis defended Iran and Iran's territorial integrity from Russians and Ottomans under the Safavids.

Tribalism is a backward form of organization like monarchy, feudalism, and theocracy. We need to have modern forms of organizations like political parties based on policies and platforms. We need to modernize the old and ancient forms of administration and bureaucracies. The question is how to proceed.

[Diri]

Hey Oslonor - I am starting to figure you out!

You are simply against people using the term "Iranian"???

I am too... If that is it... Because it doesn't mean anything... It only means: A person from the geographic area called "Iran"...

[kurdistani]

Also I have a question for you. I read somewhere that Kurds in Saqez in Iran and areas around it were actually Parthian or Scythian settlement who adopted the Kurdish language. Do you know anything about it?

I have not heard that.... It could be true.....

[oslonor]

Also I have a question for you. I read somewhere that Kurds in Saqez in Iran and areas around it were actually Parthian or Scythian settlement who adopted the Kurdish language. Do you know anything about it?

I have not heard that.... It could be true.....

Kurds from these areas look different from regular Kurds. They look very Persian. The name Saqez does not refer to chewing gum. It refers to Sakas or Scythians.

[missIndependent]

oslonor, welcome to the site!
i also have a question? are you iranian?




hhehe,ok, calm down, but i dont know why ur so paranoid with the term iranian? are u persian? n if so, why do u think we, Kurds, are interested to know bout ur problems with azeries?! you'r all the same to us! end of.
no offence to Arashi, ur one out of 1000000

Also I have a question for you. I read somewhere that Kurds in Saqez in Iran and areas around it were actually Parthian or Scythian settlement who adopted the Kurdish language. Do you know anything about it?

I have not heard that.... It could be true.....

Kurds from these areas look different from regular Kurds. They look very Persian. The name Saqez does not refer to chewing gum. It refers to Sakas or Scythians.

im also interested to know when u got this brillient facts from?
i'm from mehabad which is fairly close to saqiz, n can i ask what do u see as a regular kurdish look since u know better?

[missIndependent]

sorry Piling, sis, but i thought ur a guy too at the beginning
it's probably cuz of your strong n tough(in a good way) personality..
ok, imma ask a dumb question, my brain cant figure it out from the posts, are u Kurdish, or are you French?

[Tirigan]

im also interested to know when u got this brillient facts from?
i'm from mehabad which is fairly close to saqiz, n can i ask what do u see as a regular kurdish look since u know better?

Can you post your picture here. I want to know how Parthians and Scythians look like. Especially Parthian women…

Btw. I think I’m more Hurrian than Indo-European (Median).