Zaza people are pure Kurdish

[Simako]

Hi everybody
I didn't read all the pages but I can see there is kinda confusion here.
First of all in North of Kurdistan because of Fucking turkey politic the Kurdish Language was forbidden and of course they call some of the Kurds that their language was the Pure Kurdish and through the history of Kurdistan didn't change called them turk and it was fucking turkey politic.
so now it is clear that Zazas are Pure Kurds and we know that the awesta the Holy book of Zerdust was written by zazaki & Orami ( two kurdish accent)

Zazaki and Hawrami(Orami) are the most holy Kurdish accents.

don't accept this turkish politic that zazaki is a turkish accent or they are some people other than Kurds.

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan
Biji Birayeti
Biji Kurdi Fashist u Neteweperest
Geli Kurd Shere belam geli turk gurgi segsane.( deyan topenin be yeketiman)
Down with turkey

[Johny Bravo]

You are right, Zazaki is the avesta nearest language, see here
(on the bottom):

http://www21.brinkster.com/miyaheqi/cul ... ageID=1#a1

Zazaki - Gorani (Hawrami) - Kurdi [Kurmanci] - Farsi - Avesta

To your opinion that zazaki is "dialect". This is not right, zazaki is a own language with a own grammer, vocabulary, morhphology etc. it is too different of kurdish. example:

English: We went and came. It is in your house.
Kurmanci: Em çûn û hatin. Li mala we heye.
Sorani: Eme çûn û hatin. Le malî ewe heye.
Kelhuri: Îme çûyîm û hatîm. Le malini îwe heye.

Zazaki: Ma şiyîm û ameyîm. Keyê şima de esto.

[Vladimir]

Are you a Kirmancki-speaker?

[zurderer]

I want to add vladamir question that are you from Turkey?

[Johny Bravo]

@Vladimir
Yes, i am a Zaza, i analyze the zaza-topic for years. I be interested also in Kurdish and Persian. I can say to you that all similarties also existing in persian and other iranian languages. Zazaish is a own language. Times the simplest verbs do not resemble each other. Example:

English: He makes, He eats, He takes, He comes, He goes, He cries, He lives
Kurmanci: Ew dike, Ew dixwe, Ew digire, Ew tê, Ew diçe, Ew digrî, Ew dijî
Sorani: Ew deke, Ew dexwe, Ew degire, Ew tê, Ew deçe, Ew degrî, Ew dejî
Kelhuri: Ewe (di)kûd, Ewe (di)xwûd, Ewe (di)girûd, Ewe tê, Ewe (di)çûd, Ewe (di)grî, Ewe (di)jî

Zazaki: O keno, O weno, O gêno, O yeno, O şono, O bermeno, O cewîno

(the "o" in zazaki is iranic, it does not have anything with the turkish "o", many things that in kurmanci "ew" or "e" are in zazaki -> "o". example: kurmancs say "chewlik", we say "cholik")

English: What do you make? How are you? Are she hungry?
Kurmanci: Tu çi dikî? Tu çawanî? Ew birçî ye?
Sorani: To çi dekî? To çowunî? Ew birsî ye?
Kelhuri: Ti çi (di)kîd? Ti çuwunîd? Ewe birsî yûd?

Zazaki: Ti se kena? Ti senêna? A veyşan a?

All verbs in the past time are totally different and this is the most used time! It is ridiculously that you say, zazaki is a "accent" or "dialect"! The imporant thing by languages are, that is possible to create a standard language with this languages, and this is with zazaki and kurdish not possible.

That means: We like stranger from each other isolated to remain always. Why we should see us as the same people with a group with that not the simplest communication is possible?

[Diri]

Johny Bravo - are you one of those based on Germany?

It's our own fault that some Kirmanckî don't consider themselves Kurdish... Because many Kurds are very narrow-minded...

The Hewramî speak an un-intelligeble language (for Soranî and Kurmancî speakers) - yet they still call themselves the REAL KURDS...

Language is not the most important factor in creating a state or nationalism...

Nationalism is based on an ideology and a love of country...

There are by far more Kirmanckî who consider themselves Kurds than Kirmanckî who want to be independent...

[Diri]

By the way - in Soranî they do say "Yêm" ("I am coming")...

And also the "O" in Kirmanckî is the SAME as "Ew" in Kurmancî, Soranî and other dialects...

If you say "Ew" VERY FAST you will hear it's the same...

[Diri]

And even let me add, some Soranî say "O" or "Ow" not, "Ew"...

[Johny Bravo]

@Diri
Yes, i am from germany. The pronomes are not important, the imporant things are the verbs.

You are right that language is not important for nationalism. But you will degrade zazaki as a dialect of a other language and want to kill Zazaki with this propaganda, that the zazas think "zazaki is as the bavarian dialect in germany" and use kurmanci.

I accept, that some zazas see themeselves as kurds, but i dont accept, that anybody say, our langauge is DIALECT or ACCENT!

[zurderer]

now what is your claim? are zazas kurdish? or non-kurdish..

I cannot understand excatly what you mean..

We have our langauge, but we are not a nation.

accept, that some zazas see themeselves as kurds

So soma zazas dont see themself as kurds. So how can you claim, zazas as pure kurds. When some dont see themself as kurd but zaza.

Anyway, I think you should clear your ideas a little.

are we talking a nation like china?(a lot different langauge but all of them are han chinies.)

[Johny Bravo]

@zurderer
Why you ask ME this? I see me as a ZAZA and Zazaki as NOT KURDISH! But i accept zazas they themselves see as kurds and dont denia this peoplel! But i DONT ACCEPT if anybody says that zazaki were a DIALECT or ACCENT!

AND:
i am 100% against turks or turkey and hate turks.


the turkish imperialism may go down!

[zurderer]

well, I am sure about your hate about Turks. People outside of Turkey and younger people hate Turks more.

I see me as a ZAZA and Zazaki as NOT KURDISH! But i accept zazas they themselves see as kurds and dont denia this peoplel! But i DONT ACCEPT if anybody says that zazaki were a DIALECT or ACCENT!

still, There is a little problem. I am asking what do you think. You still say, some zaza accept themself as kurd.(So what, some zaza dont.)

are you a kurd or not?

[Diri]

Zurderer, are you trying to make Johny Bravo angry?

He said a dozen times: he is Zazaki... Not Kurdish...

But as he accepted: There are Zazaki who consider themselves Kurds...

And I will add: most Zazaki consider themselves Kurds... The percentage of Zazaki who consider themselves as non-Kurds, can't be higher than 30-40%...

[zurderer]

Name of topic is that Zaza people are pure Kurdish.

By the way, how did you decide number? how do you know 30 or 40%? How many zaza, do you know?

[Diri]

Name of topic is that Zaza people are pure Kurdish.

By the way, how did you decide number? how do you know 30 or 40%? How many zaza, do you know?

I know more Zazaki than you will ever know... I have been in Zazakistan...

How about you?