The Only Peaceful Iraq is a confederation named Aram Nahrin

[Kurmanci]

Two Fake Conferences on Iraq and 30 Months Wasted in Aram Nahrin - Mesopotamia

Before a week, a useless and rather iniquitous conference took place at Sharm el Sheikh, in Egypt, bringing Iranians and Syrians to brief discussions with the Americans. There was no rapprochement to be announced, and the focal subject was Iraq. It was therefore a completely useless meeting form where only counterproductive results could emanate. Apparently, the Americans did not learn anything.

Before precisely two and half years, another useless and rather iniquitous conference had taken place at the same location, to focus on the same subject! We had formulated a series of measures that - we insisted - would be the only way for America, Peace, Humanism and Civilization to prevail over the rising forces of Disorder and Chaos, Hatred and Barbarism.

We had already specified that the problem in Iraq is its absolutely artificial existence, its false name, and its false identity of ‘Arabic’ country as imposed by France and Britain for reasons of colonial, anti-Ottoman and antihuman plans that have been at the origin of all the disasters caused to the Aramaean Mesopotamia. Unless the country be totally de-arabized, there will be no solution, and the overall condition will worsen until it contributes to the rise of a barbaric pseudo-messianic and bogus-Islamic state. There was never Iraq; only if America views the real historical face of Aram Nahrin – Mesopotamia, has any US administration the chance to conceive a possibly workable plan. Otherwise, the falsehood ‘Iraq’ will bring the so-called superpower to its knees.

It is interesting to re-publish here integrally an article I had written before two and half years, criticizing the ridiculous conference. Despite the fact that thirty (30) months have passed, I have nothing to change in the article except the name of the German chancellor.

This is tragically ironical and quite telling; it proves the incommensurable irresponsibility of the American administration that fell victims of the colonial Anglo-French machinations. In a separate article, we will check whether the US has still the chance to do something in Mesopotamia – Aram Nahrin. Here we re-publish integrally our past criticism of this sort of ridiculous and ineffective conferences that common sense should have helped us spare.

Blow up the Comical Sharm ash Sheikh Conference on ‘Iraq’ http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-22-2004-61977.asp

‘Iraq’ – properly called Aram Nahrain – needs Post-Colonial Friends, not European Conspirators and Middle Eastern Tyrants.

By according the slightest importance to French newspapers, one may be driven to the aberration that a New Yalta Conference is going to take place today and tomorrow at the southern wasteland of Sinai, at a very kitch hotel place named Sharm ash Sheikh.

Affirmatively, the place has no historicity at all, since before 1985 there was not even a hamlet in that area! Today, it is a monument of barbaric violation of the Historical Natural Environment; an unprecedented deformation of the landscape is due to big, vulgar and hideous blocks of hotels that have been euphemistically called the Egyptian Riviera!

At the same time, this is the area where thousands of migrating birds die every year because, while crossing that area – as they did for thousands of years –, they are fed by contaminated and/or intoxicated rubbish that stinks in the hot afternoon sun of the Red Sea, when it is not burnt by ignorant pollutant public servants. A few kilometers further, vast coral areas are under constant threat of destruction because of the improperly high number of tourists that are diverted there, since they are not welcome throughout the Nile valley in order not to ‘disturb’ the lunatic Islamist masses that the crypto-extremist tyrannical regime cultivates there, while keeping a ludicrous pro-Western diplomatic façade.

Not far from this environmental hell named Sharm ash Sheikh, a conference will be held to allow participants discuss issues related to the present situation in Iraq, and the way of this country to Democracy. It bears witness to modern paranoia, unawareness, irrelevance, and colonial criminality.

The wrong place to hold a conference about Iraq

The place chosen was totally irrelevant and unrelated. This has nothing to do with the ugliness of the kitch hotels or the miserable way of rubbish collection and treatment that prevails everywhere in that dreary country.

Egypt is irrelevant and inappropriate a venue, because as country it is the product and the epitome of the criminal colonial policies that led to all the grave problems America and the alliance set up by President Bush had to face, deposing Saddam Hussein.

The basic problem of Iraq was its engulfment within the colonial scheme prepared by France and England since the late 18th century. The creation of such a technical entity as ‘Iraq’, the use itself of a meaningless, absurd and de-personifying name that was imposed by the Europeans, the instigation of the murderous and historically false ideology of Pan – Arabism (also called Arabic Nationalism), the homicidal detachment of that periphery of the Ottoman Empire from its normal and natural capital, Istanbul, the obliteration of the natural name of that country – Aram Nahrain or Mesopotamia – and the criminal negligence of the Aramaic ethnic and racial background of the country, all these are the main factors that fueled during several decades the volcano of ‘Pan – Arabic and Islamist Iraq’.

The projection of these colonial malicious misconceptions and the ensuing perversely erroneous historical interpretations that were imposed as national dogma in a non-Muslim – but multi-religious and multi-cultural – and a non-Arabic – but Aramaic in its great majority – country made of Aram Nahrain the Hell of Saddam Hussein’s (or Muqtada Sadr’s) Iraq.

Egypt is another unnatural, technical entity that has been created exclusively for the colonial needs of France and England, following the brutal invasion of Napoleon. Facing the same problems, deformation of its Egyptian – Coptic and Nubian identities, tyrannical oppression of the Coptic and the Nubian minorities, criminal imposition of the historical falsehood of ‘Arabic Nationalism’ (locally called Naserism) and the French tutelage (from Napoleon to Chirac), Egypt is another volcano – even worse than Iraq –, simply expected to erupt later. Consequently, it has nothing to offer, let alone host such a conference.

The wrong participants for conference about Iraq

This is a good opportunity to laugh at the French press and the highly maneuvered, read: ‘instrumentalized’, mass media of this problematic European country. According to Le Figaro (Luc de Barochez, 20 novembre 2004), ‘Les «Grands» en quête d'un consensus sur l'Irak’, which means that ‘the Great Powers are in the search of a consensus with regard to Iraq’. Nothing could deform better the reality than this statement of the French!

Further on the newspapers insists that the ‘conference’ brings together ‘all the tenors of the global diplomacy, plus the four international organizations, namely the UN, the G8, the European Union, and the Islamic Conference Organization’. Truly speaking, the participants encompass the neighboring countries, namely Turkey, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and then the aforementioned four organizations, plus China, the Arab League, and Iraq.

Having this in mind, one can wonder how the representatives of supposedly democratic countries, like France, Italy, England, and Germany, will have it easy to sit next to the representative of cruel, tyrannical Syria. The presence of the Ayatullahs of Iran will be equally provocative! Are the Iranians expected to give insightful info about their timing for the nuclear test they so much desire to go through?

The presence of Saudi Arabia, the most dysfunctional, anachronistic, and extremist theocracy that has ever existed turns the conference into a circus.

Either all the neighboring countries should send representatives, and then Egypt should be absent, being also considered as an improper venue, or only democratic countries, like Turkey, and countries aspiring to apply democratic rule, like Jordan and Kuwait, should be invited or accepted as venue.

The international participants are also disqualifying. Why China should be present in this scene, having not denounced its tyrannical nature? How can we accept as frank and sincere the approach and speeches of the Chinese representative, since no less than 70 million Muslim Turkic peoples are oppressed in Eastern Turkestan that China insists in naming Sing Kiang? Why China cares for the well-being of Muslims in Kirkuk and Mosul, and not in Turfan, Yarkand, Khotan and Urumqi?

How can the nauseating trilogy of European colonial peace-lords, Chirac – Schroeder – Putin, who were strong supporters of the Criminal tyrant Saddam Hussein and have not yet renounced their attitude, participate in a conference among people deliberating about a great future that they did their ingenious best to avoid?

How can an international ‘conference’ like this gain credibility in the eyes of the previously oppressed, misled, misguided, and colonially victimized people of Iraq, when a person related to Jacques Chirac will be allowed to speak?

What the colonial French representative will dare say?

He will demand forgiveness for the French anti-Turkish Racism that imposes –throughout the French mass media – total oblivion of the Iraqi Turkmens?

He will apologize to the Kurds of Iraq, who have been considered as an instrument of the paranoid, anti-Ottoman and anti-Turkish, policies of France?


He will beg the Aramaeans for indulgence, after 2-century old Pan-Arabic Colonial machinations of the iniquitous Quai d’ Orsay and 2-century old Greco-Romano-centrism of the disreputable Institut de France that victimized the great majority of the people of Mesopotamia by holding them captive of a wrong identity?

Does the dishonorable representative of France forget that, due to French inspiration Pan-Arabism, the Arabic speaking Muslims of Mesopotamia were misled and victimized by thinking that they are Arabs, whereas they are Arabic speaking Aramaeans, in the same way the Black Americans are Africans and not Anglo-Saxons?

Is the French representative so naïve to think that the Aramaean Mandeans and Christians – Nestorian or Monophysitic – have forgotten the huge responsibility of France in turning against them the besotted and fanaticized Mesopotamian Muslims, who were driven far from their Aramaic identity, being consequently pulled to extremist Islamist positions?

If France wants to participate in such a conference, the French representative must speak exclusively on the ways the - Christian and Mandean - Aramaean expatriates of Aram Nahrain / Iraq will return to vote in their own country – that they were obliged to abandon under tragic circumstances to escape the French colonial inspiration oppression.

Another irrelevant participation is that of the Islamic Conference Organization

What this representative is going to say? Is he going to demand to close down the temples of the Yezidi Kurds at Mosul, and to desecrate the holy places of the Ahl-e Haq Kurds, and of the Mesopotamian Bahais?

Will somebody ask the Islamic Conference Organization representative what he thinks of the Mashaf-e Ras, the Black Holy Book of the Yezidis? Does he consider it of Satanic inspiration? Whether he – and the fanaticized through the French anti-historical falsehood masses of Aramaean Muslims, who think they are … Arabs ! – would like to burn this Holy Book of the Yezidis?

Last and most comical participant will be the representative of the Arab League, this bogus-organization of the uncivilized, the uneducated, and the besotted leaders, who call each other ‘ape’ or ‘donkey’!

This is the key to permanent colonial supremacy of France and England in the Middle East, the ultimate guarantee that the entire region from the borders of Pakistan and the Horn of Africa to the Atlantic Ocean remains in permanent underdevelopment, barbarism, poverty, illiteracy, pestilence, suicidal bestializing, mental and intellectual deterioration, and total alteration of identity.

This absurd and provocative organization exists only as a way to deform the non – Arabic identity of the entire area, and to present incongruously the various peoples and nations, ethnic and linguistic groups of the region as ‘Arab’.

Practically speaking, none of all these peoples is ‘Arab’, with the exception of the non – emigrant inhabitants of the Saudi Arabia.

People in Syria, Iraq (without counting Kurds, Turkmens, Persians, Armenians), Lebanon, Jordan, Israel (without counting Israelis), Palestine, Kuwait, Qatar, and Emirates are all Arameans, who got linguistically – but not ethnically or racially – arabized as a consequence of their islamization.

For further precision, before the arrival of Islam, the various peoples, Babylonians, Phoenicians, Jews had first been aramaized, and various Aramaic languages had been formed. Aramaeans are Semitic, but very different than the Arabs. Arabic writing is a later form of Syriac, one late Aramaic language.

People in Egypt, Libya, and the Sudan are Khammitic and Nilo-Saharic, belonging to other ethnic – linguistic family than the Semites, despite the fact that the Islamic terrorists’ agenda offers a high position to the misconception and falsehood that the Egyptians are Semitic! Nubians are Nilo-Saharic, and the rest of the Egyptian population is totally unrelated to ‘Arab’.

Either Coptic Christians or Muslims, the Egyptians are the descendents of the Ancient Egyptians, and the very few Arabs among the Islamic invading armies were of insignificant number, if compared to the local Egyptian population at the middle of the 7th century.

Similarly, the people of Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and Mauritania are Khammitic Berbers, belonging to the same group with most of the Egyptians, the Libyans and the Sudanese, and having nothing to do with the Semitic Arabs or Aramaeans.

Last but not least, the Yemenites and the Omanis are the descendents of the old Semitic populations of these regions that also were different than the Arabs.

Because of the existence of the various backgrounds, there are today various Arabic languages, not one, but this reality is neglected as a study case and denied as a reality either in the local Arab nationalistic and besotted tyrannies or in the falsification centers of the French colonial universities.

What must be done in Aram Nahrain / Mesopotamia / Iraq

Certainly there is absolutely nothing this conference can do about Mesopotamia / Iraq, except increase the confusion and the existing problems.

As everywhere else, a real solution in Iraq will emanate from self-knowledge, proper perception of the local, Aram Nahain / Mesopotamian identity, past, culture, and civilization.

The Multinational Force led by the USA must coordinate with the rising resources of the Iyad Allawi government, and impose law and order. The elections must be held next January, and a democratic Constitution must place all the various groups of Iraq at the same level in terms of freedom, equity, and justice. A multicultural, post-modern and free Aram Nahrain will replace the dark, backward, despotic and de-personifying bogus-Iraq.

America should do its best in keeping the enemies of a multicultural Aram Nahrain out of the game forever. There is no reason for free Mesopotamia to belong to the bogus-Arab League anymore, and there is no reason for this trickery to be internationally recognized.

For America to be successful there are two challenges to be met:

A. Ground challenges at the field, where the major part of the effort is focusing on nowadays, and

B. Conceptual challenges that necessitate greater effort, and more time, but they are the only that – if properly tackled – will herald a Greater Historical Change in the Middle East, and a Greater Middle East.

The latter challenges have more to do with a liberation from conceptual tricks, preconceived schemes of the colonial machination, and bogus-historical Greco-Romano-centrist dogmas, with an unchaining from the false perception of the world, the erroneous French Weltanschauung, that prevented clarity, equity, justice, and ultimate intellectual development.

The traditionally pro-Arabic State Department is to be expected to change dramatically in the next four years following Powell’s resignation as secretary of state and his replacement (subject to Senate confirmation) by Condoleezza Rice.

The new Bush administration cannot afford to apply (or even let persist) dogmas in its foreign policy that have been fabricated by France, and are meant either to tie the USA to impotence or to perpetuate a confusion around subjects the Anti-Colonial Superpower is meant to solve in an effective, constructive and missionary way.




http://www.americanchronicle.com/articl ... leID=26911


Map of Aram Nahrin
http://www.buzzle.com/showImage.asp?image=19229

[Rumtaya]

lol, what does Aram have to do in Iraq? Aram is southern Syria ah...thats funny

Its Bet Nahrain and not Aram Nahrain

are you an aramean? or why you have the "aramean" flag?

We do not want that Assyria is going to split up between an "ARAM" and a Kurdistan...

I just thought that this bullshit can only come from this man

Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis

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[Darkseid]

lol, what does Aram have to do in Iraq? Aram is southern Syria ah...thats funny

Its Bet Nahrain and not Aram Nahrain

are you an aramean? or why you have the "aramean" flag?

We do not want that Assyria is going to split up between an "ARAM" and a Kurdistan...

I just thought that this bullshit can only come from this man

Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/bioPics/author1225.jpg[/img]

You do know what Hurrians are?

[Rumtaya]

lol, what does Aram have to do in Iraq? Aram is southern Syria ah...thats funny

Its Bet Nahrain and not Aram Nahrain

are you an aramean? or why you have the "aramean" flag?

We do not want that Assyria is going to split up between an "ARAM" and a Kurdistan...

I just thought that this bullshit can only come from this man

Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/bioPics/author1225.jpg[/img]

You do know what Hurrians are?

I know what Hurrians are, and I know that Assyria was always Assyria!
do you know what Assyria is?

[Darkseid]

lol, what does Aram have to do in Iraq? Aram is southern Syria ah...thats funny

Its Bet Nahrain and not Aram Nahrain

are you an aramean? or why you have the "aramean" flag?

We do not want that Assyria is going to split up between an "ARAM" and a Kurdistan...

I just thought that this bullshit can only come from this man

Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/bioPics/author1225.jpg[/img]

You do know what Hurrians are?

I know what Hurrians are, and I know that Assyria was always Assyria!
do you know what Assyria is?

Yep but I am afraid that you don't. Assyria is the homeland of the Assyrian people, but its domain was rather small compare to what you believe it should be. But... it is near the size of what most Assyrians want for their own country.

Assyria = not all of Northern Mesopotamia.



The Dark Green represents the actual homeland of Assyria and if you have realized it is not all of Northern Mesopotamia.

Subar is the land of the Hurrians and the land of their descendents, the Kurds.

http://www.imninalu.net/maps.htm#Hurrian

Those are just Hurrian Kingdoms.

The Hurrians have lived in Subar (North of Babylonia) for 500 years before the Assyians moved into that area.

[Rumtaya]

Assyria is Assyria....


We are looking to get our homeland and to form a State...where no Arab, no Turk, no Kurd...tell us what to do or what not...


Now we could went on fighting about Hurrians and Assyrians...but that would be nonses...so I stop to talk about that...

[Darkseid]

Assyria is Assyria....

Nope.

Subar is Subar.

Assyria is what Subar became when the Assyrians moved in.

You have to realize that land was called many things before it was Assyria.

People have been around for thousands of years before Sumer. Don't you think that there might have been other people living there at one time or another before the Assyrians?

We are looking to get our homeland and to form a State...where no Arab, no Turk, no Kurd...tell us what to do or what not...

You want me to tell you want to do?

Fine. Then I shall.

Form the Draneian Society devoted to co-existence with Kurds, Turks, and Arabs while following the code of Tumaseireinahab.

The Code of Tumaseireinahab known as Dark Order specifically directs the needed grounds of establishing and dividing land in accordance to its demographic divisions. If you are going to establish a government encompassing an entire planet full of people with diverse culture, language, and religion then you need to make sure each of those divisions has a place in that government.

Assyria must be made in order for this to work or otherwise it would be a complete contradiction to the ways of Tumaseireinahab (The Soul of Jesus).

Now we could went on fighting about Hurrians and Assyrians...but that would be nonses...so I stop to talk about that...

Ah huh... All I was going on about is that Assyria is the land of the Assyrians and how could it be called Assyria without any Assyrians.

[Nishra-Ashur]

Nope.

Subar is Subar.

Assyria is what Subar became when the Assyrians moved in.

You have to realize that land was called many things before it was Assyria.

People have been around for thousands of years before Sumer. Don't you think that there might have been other people living there at one time or another before the Assyrians?

.

You are smart person I presume.

Tell me, intelligent man, what was the name of "ISRAEL" before? Let me help you. It was called CANAAN, that means, the land of the CANAANITES. If you want to make such a bold claim like Kurds are descended from Hurrians (WHO, BTW, SPOKE A NON INDO -EUROPEAN LANGUAGE, DIFFERENT than KURDI) then Palestinians have the right to claim they are descendants of CANANITES, and that present day Israel is occupying them. So, now I have to ask you, what is your point here? If you want to talk, do not talk about only one side, since someone like me knowledgable can expose you and can make Israel look really bad (NOT my intention, btw).

Also, These Hurrians did not create Ashur, Nineveh and other Assyrian cities. These were Assyrian cities established by Assyria, hence they are Assyrian. This includes Arba-el-u (Arbil), the city of 4 Gods. Assyrians are comparable to Cannanites, as being the people that established their land and "put it on the map". What belongs to Ancient Assyria is in history. Hurrians were more toward northeastern "Iraq" I believe that included present day Kirkuk, which was dominated and ruled by (not created) Assyrians as well. Assyrians and Hurrians were neighbors. Eventually, Hurrians became part of the Assyrian population. Assyrians were established for a long time, had power off and on for 1,000 years. Their name became powerful, equivalent to American, that encompassed more ethnicities than just Assyrian. I know an Assyrian today by the name of "Huryan". They are a part of our legacy and heritage, as are the Sumerians and forefathers, the Akkadians. We know these as facts for Assyrians. To lump the Kurds in there as well, is erroneous and not based on facts. I do not have a problem with Kurds, who are humans, forming their own country as all people deserve to rule over themselves. However if you want to talk about facts, and legitimacy, then look no further than Assyrians and Assyria. Before anyone deserves anything, the Assyrians should always be first in line, as we are among the earliest civilizations in mankind.

Shalom, Shlama

[Balci]

welcome Nishra-Ashur

[Rumtaya]

found that from the jewishlibary

The Assyrians were Semitic people living in the northern reaches of Mesopotamia; they have a long history in the area, but for most of that history they are subjugated to the more powerful kingdoms and peoples to the south. Under the monarch, Shamshi-Adad, the Assyrians attempted to build their own empire, but Hammurabi soon crushed the attempt and the Assyrians disappear from the historical stage. Eventually the Semitic peoples living in northern Mesopotamia were invaded by another Asiatic people, the Hurrians, who migrated into the area and began to build an empire of their own. But the Hurrian dream of empire was soon swallowed up in the dramatic growth of the Hittite empire, and the young Hurrian nation was swamped. After centuries of attempts at independence, the Assyrians finally had an independent state of their own since the Hittites did not annex Assyrian cities. For the next several hundred years, the balance of power would shift from the north to the south

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... rians.html

[Darkseid]

Nope.

Subar is Subar.

Assyria is what Subar became when the Assyrians moved in.

You have to realize that land was called many things before it was Assyria.

People have been around for thousands of years before Sumer. Don't you think that there might have been other people living there at one time or another before the Assyrians?

You are smart person I presume.

Tell me, intelligent man, what was the name of "ISRAEL" before? Let me help you.

I already knew it was Canaan, but do you know what it was called before that?

It was called CANAAN, that means, the land of the CANAANITES.

Yeah, you made your point.

If you want to make such a bold claim like Kurds are descended from Hurrians (WHO, BTW, SPOKE A NON INDO -EUROPEAN LANGUAGE, DIFFERENT than KURDI)

Kind of like Egyptians use to speak a non-Arabic dialect. You know nothing about the results of two clans intermarrying.

then Palestinians have the right to claim they are descendants of CANANITES

They don't claim they are the descendents of the Canaanites. As a matter of fact, one Palestinians got pissed off when I called him a Canaanite. He told me that all Palestinians are Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula. All Canaanites were killed off or interbred with the Israelites/Akkadians/Hyksos (All of which are the same people under different periods of their history).

and that present day Israel is occupying them.

Israel's existence comes from a prophecy from John, one of Jesus's apostles. If you want to take it up with the big man himself then so be it.

So, now I have to ask you, what is your point here?

Geez you sure are trying to act tough, powerpuff.

My point is to address that the Assyrian should not seek to turn against god. It is something you still don't understand.

If you want to talk, do not talk about only one side, since someone like me knowledgable can expose you and can make Israel look really bad (NOT my intention, btw).

I'm quite the moderate fyi.

Also, These Hurrians did not create Ashur, Nineveh and other Assyrian cities.

Of course they didn't.

These were Assyrian cities established by Assyria, hence they are Assyrian. This includes Arba-el-u (Arbil), the city of 4 Gods. Assyrians are comparable to Cannanites, as being the people that established their land and "put it on the map". What belongs to Ancient Assyria is in history. Hurrians were more toward northeastern "Iraq" I believe that included present day Kirkuk, which was dominated and ruled by (not created) Assyrians as well.

Hurrians lived practically everywhere as that of present day Kurds, they just never made up the majority of people in any specific region even though there were more of them altogether than there were anyone else at that time.

Assyrians and Hurrians were neighbors.

No duh sherlock. When are you going to get to the point?

Eventually, Hurrians became part of the Assyrian population.

They became subjected as a part of the Empire, like the Hebrews.

Assyrians were established for a long time, had power off and on for 1,000 years.

R-really? I'd like to see some evidence.

Their name became powerful, equivalent to American, that encompassed more ethnicities than just Assyrian. I know an Assyrian today by the name of "Huryan". They are a part of our legacy and heritage, as are the Sumerians and forefathers, the Akkadians. We know these as facts for Assyrians. To lump the Kurds in there as well, is erroneous and not based on facts. I do not have a problem with Kurds, who are humans, forming their own country as all people deserve to rule over themselves. However if you want to talk about facts, and legitimacy, then look no further than Assyrians and Assyria.

I am not trying to disallow the existence of Assyria. I am just looking towards a unity. As someone that wants peace, you should by all accounts agree or else you would be straight out lying.

Before anyone deserves anything, the Assyrians should always be first in line, as we are among the earliest civilizations in mankind.

Shalom, Shlama

Then you will get nothing. Look okay... I don't make the rules. I simply announce them. It is your call in siding with god or not. Now which do you choose. I am not god himself, but I do advocate for him under his own authority. And god will not grant the wishes of people who share the same opinionated behavior as yours.

found that from the jewishlibary

The Assyrians were Semitic people living in the northern reaches of Mesopotamia; they have a long history in the area, but for most of that history they are subjugated to the more powerful kingdoms and peoples to the south. Under the monarch, Shamshi-Adad, the Assyrians attempted to build their own empire, but Hammurabi soon crushed the attempt and the Assyrians disappear from the historical stage. Eventually the Semitic peoples living in northern Mesopotamia were invaded by another Asiatic people, the Hurrians, who migrated into the area and began to build an empire of their own. But the Hurrian dream of empire was soon swallowed up in the dramatic growth of the Hittite empire, and the young Hurrian nation was swamped. After centuries of attempts at independence, the Assyrians finally had an independent state of their own since the Hittites did not annex Assyrian cities. For the next several hundred years, the balance of power would shift from the north to the south

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... rians.html

It is very biased and likely to state such things since its a Semetic source providing this information. Here is something that portrays a different image of the Hurrians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrians
http://history-world.org/hurrians.htm

[Rumtaya]

lool, quite funny seeing us arguing about Hurrians and Assyrians hahaha....

Lets just have somekind of peace within the humans on this world!
I think God will know what Assyrians have deserved or not....

We are just looking for a area within the Middle East to settle down, live in peace, being furitful and having just a peaceful life....

P.S. Assyria will be world football champion in 2018

[Darkseid]

lool, quite funny seeing us arguing about Hurrians and Assyrians hahaha....

Lets just have somekind of peace within the humans on this world!
I think God will know what Assyrians have deserved or not....

I already know what god thinks about Assyria and thinks they deserve.

We are just looking for a area within the Middle East to settle down, live in peace, being furitful and having just a peaceful life....

P.S. Assyria will be world football champion in 2018

Well like I've said, you shouldn't try to annoy people with redundant information and try to make yourselves seem superior over another group of people. The Jews have tried that and it ended up with another group of people who made up the majority in Germany to rise into power claiming themselves as the superior ones and seeking to annihilate the Jews. It is a word of caution.

[sicpit]

It's interesting to note that while the great sumerian legacy is still so much in mystery we do know a couple of things about them. They were before the Akkadian and Assyrians. Sumerians are Aryan like the Kurds, They lived though In Southern Mesopotamia. They lived by the two rivers, thus making them agriculturaly more advanced than the rest. With came great agriculture came great society.

The book I am reading right now, basically says that the Akkadians and Assyrians were originally from Arabia, Migrated to Iraq, and adapted their gods with theirs. The Akkadians and Assyrians were of might, meanwhile the Sumerians were extremely smart. They helped eachother out.




I am all in favor of destroying all of IRaq forever, and let Babylonia rise to its once glory. Mesopotamia or Babylonia would be a much better acheivment than Kurdistan(I think) Possibly Semites and Aryans can live in peace

[Rumtaya]

It's interesting to note that while the great sumerian legacy is still so much in mystery we do know a couple of things about them. They were before the Akkadian and Assyrians. Sumerians are Aryan like the Kurds, They lived though In Southern Mesopotamia. They lived by the two rivers, thus making them agriculturaly more advanced than the rest. With came great agriculture came great society.

The book I am reading right now, basically says that the Akkadians and Assyrians were originally from Arabia, Migrated to Iraq, and adapted their gods with theirs. The Akkadians and Assyrians were of might, meanwhile the Sumerians were extremely smart. They helped eachother out.

What is the book called you read?

Dude thats not proofed what you are talking about! There is no clear evidence what the Sumerians were, so stop making your mind up! Turk claims that Sumerians were kind of proto-Turk...., should we belive this too?

The Sumerians:
Among the earliest civilizations were the diverse peoples living in the fertile valleys lying between the Tigris and Euphrates valley, or Mesopotamia, which in Greek means, "between the rivers." In the south of this region, in an area now in Kuwait and northern Saudi Arabia, a mysterious group of people, speaking a language unrelated to any other human language we know of, began to live in cities, which were ruled by some sort of monarch, and began to write. These were the Sumerians, and around 3000 BC they began to form large city-states in southern Mesopotamia that controlled areas of several hundred square miles.

The Assyrians:
The Assyrians were Semitic people living in the northern reaches of Mesopotamia; they have a long history in the area, but for most of that history they are subjugated to the more powerful kingdoms and peoples to the south.

The Akkadians:
The Akkadians were a Semitic people living on the Arabic peninsula during the great flourishing period of the Sumerian city-states. Although we don't know much about early Akkadian history and culture, we do know that as the Akkadians migrated north, they came in increasing conflict with the Sumerian city-states, and in 2340 BC, the great Akkadian military leader, Sargon, conquered Sumer and built an Akkadian empire stretching over most of the Sumerian city-states and extending as far away as Lebanon. Sargon based his empire in the city of Akkad, which became the basis of the name of his people.
same source, diffrent saying! Akkadians probably migrated from arabic pensuila, Assyrians used to be for a long time in northern reaches(northern iraq) in Mesopotamia.

btw, many people migrated to that area, also your Aryan people migrated(and that much later than Assyrians,Akkadians etc.)


It can even be, that the Assyrians were a Nation formed from the people living on the land of Ashur( around and in the cities ofNineveh,Nimrud,Arbil,Ashur)
The akkadians brought a havy influence with them i.e. bringin their language to the Babylonians and Assyrians... thus the Assyrian language was called only assyrian when making a diffrence between the dialect spoken in Ashur and in Babylon (north dialect and south dialect of akkadian language).

I think Darkseid will put its opinion on that..., to show his "knowledege"....

Well....Assyrians had an big Empire, they have build many cities (just go to northern Iraq) and its legacy is still alive....thats why we have a right to have a homeland on the Land of Ashur, would be pretty fine at the moment with the Nineveh Plains which is still after so many thousand of years and Assyrian Stronghold....


btw. where is DIRI?