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Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

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Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Kurmanci » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:53 pm

In two earlier articles we advocated the rise of a Great Alliance between the only democratic countries in the area between European Union and India, namely Turkey and Israel. In exchange of Turkish support against the Palestinian terrorism, Israel and the world’s Jewish and Zionist circles should support Turkey’s Secular establishment against the threat emanating from the Euro-liberal manipulative backing of Erdogan’s perfidious and preposterous Islamists.

With the Turkish Secular establishment consolidated, Turkey and Israel should advance step by step on a multi-target plan that would restore Turkish Supremacy in the Orient, and ensure Israeli Preponderance in the Promised Land. As both countries face double challenges from the Green and White Terror, namely the Islamic Extremism and Terrorism and the Russian Orthodox counterfeit Messianism, it is clear that Turkey and Israel have limited temporal margin.

It will be to their mutual benefit if they both hit their respective target zones in parallel. The consorted efforts and the concerted operations should be perfectly timed so that both countries’ operations overshadow one another and cause an undividable shock to the world’s mass media, drastically preventing them from the advantage of prioritizing news.

Step 1 – Turkey in Kirkuk and Israel in Ramallah

The semi-autonomous region of Northern Iraq turned out to become a disparaged realm of totalitarianism unbearably exercised by some tribal Kurdish thugs against para-‘Kurdish’ minorities, Arameans, Yazidis, Ahl-e Haq, Turkmens, Armenians, and others. At the same time, the overt alliance of Barzani with the PKK terrorists is simply not acceptable anymore for a NATO member, particularly in the light of Turkish – Iranian rivalry for Supremacy in the Orient.

Turkey should enter in Northern Iraq, and by this we do not mean a buffer zone of 10 to 30 km. Turkish army should enter Zakho, Dohuk, Mosul, Arbil, Kirkuk and Suleymaniyeh. And stay. Forever.

While doing so, Turkey should declare to Iran that any Iranian attempt to enter under any disguised form in the Mesopotamian South, under pretext of Shia alliance, would be immediate Casus Belli.

To prevent any paranoid European or American reaction to the Turkish fully legitimate advance in Northern Mesopotamia, and to the much needed elimination of Barzani, Israel should declare that opposition to Turkey’s presence in Iraq and to Turkey’s mending of the Iraqi hell consists in overt anti-Semitism. Even without the Israelis saying so, it is not difficult to understand that all the Islamist and extremist elements in Iraq perceive their anti-American attacks as the first step in their pending aggression against Israel. Turkey’s presence in the Mesopotamian North will be both, termination of the Kurdish terrorism and severe pressure over the Sunni and Shia insurgents.

The same day Turkish soldiers tear down the illegitimate – by grace of colonial powers – borders of Iraq, Israel should break into Ramallah, Qalqiliyah, Tulkarm, Nablus, Janin, Hebron (Khalil) and Jericho (Ariha), irrevocably eliminating the existence of any local authority and administration, and removing the shadowy and genuinely terrorist Palestinian Authority and its ridiculous, bogus-President. The operation should take the form of forced and generalized expulsion of the population from their homes; they should be discharged in Jordan.

The Palestinian problem was always easy to solve, simply it had become a part of the bi-polar world’s chessboard. At any time, Israel could have reduced the Palestinians to ashes, but this would trigger a Soviet reaction and eventually an international crisis with the menace of a large scale nuclear war; the Israel / Palestine dispute was part of the Balance of Nuclear Threat. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, one could expect the problem to be quickly solved, as not a significant ally would stand by the terrorist thugs of Arafat.

Yet, the rising European power of immoral discord has so far done its ingenious best to hinder either a genuine solution of the problem or a unilateral measure that Israel could at any moment have taken and thoroughly and adequately implemented.

Acting on axes of duplicity , mendacity and perversion, the French diplomacy and presidency engaged the entire EU – immorally, disastrously and disreputably – on the side of the Palestinian gangsters of Arafat. Certainly, it is highly unlikely that small and poor states that join EU out of their need to get funded and subsidized decide to oppose the ominous Paris – Berlin axis.

Behind the criminal and carnivorous people who man institutions like the Elysée palace and the Quai d’ Orsay is hidden the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge, which promotes its bestializing and dehumanizing policies – that they call (prepare to laugh!) ‘mission civilisatrice de France’ – and its Merovingian Eschatological Agenda. They need the Palestinians to destroy the state of Israel which does not suit their Abomination of the Desolation.


The Apostate Freemasonic Anti-Semitic plan was to make Israel lose time, money and resources without getting either Peace or recognition; this is the reason of the incessant but futile accords, meetings, conferences and noise that all did not help lead anywhere. At the same time, the Euro-puppets of the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge preserve the Palestinians in their ‘homeland’ in order to use them when it suits them best, namely at the moment they will have their anti-Semitic conspiracy ready for full implementation.

Israelis know very well that it is all about their survival; and the World’s Jews know very well that, if this Jewish state is annihilated, there isn’t going to be another Jewish state in the horizon……

The only way for Israel to survive is to genuinely, effectively and intrepidly evacuate all the Palestinians out of the West Bank (first step) and Gaza (second step) before Israel gets the chance to remove the burden of Damascus. The only way to get it done is to solemnly announce that just one more attempt of suicide bombing will produce the end of the Palestinians’ presence in the West Bank. As expected, the besotted terrorists of the most Satanic irredentism, i.e. the Hamas criminal members, will respond with another suicide bombing, therefore prompting the final evacuation of the Palestinians form their homelands that since the days of the Ottoman Empire they failed repeatedly to defend. This will be the most correct judgment adjusted to them. When regrouped in Jordan, dispossessed of their belongings, they will remember that it all started with their forefathers who first deserted the Ottoman army fighting against the British in 1917.

With Turkey immediately recognizing Israel as de facto and de jure instituted from the river Jordan until the Mediterranean, and guaranteeing Israel’s borders, the Palestinian problem will have been mostly solved. Gaza would not be a significant matter to tackle later, simply it should be thoroughly isolated first.

Step – 2 Eliminate Syria

The ‘Burden of Damascus’, Syria is not a state, but a technical entity; it does not reflect any local need of the various indigenous peoples to supposedly live together. Aramaeans consist in about 15% of the entire population; another 10% represents the terribly oppressed Kurds. In addition, there are Turks, Circassians, Armenians, Sunni and Shia; the latter, named Alevites (After Ali), ruled the country over the past 40 years atrociously tyrannizing the rest, although they do not represent more than 15% of the country’s population.

Father and son Assad, turned the traditionally anti-Semitic country to a most devious Middle Eastern country, successively involving the impoverished realm into an alliance with the Soviets, Islamic Iran, terrorist Sudan, paranoid Qadhafi, and a great number of Palestinian and international terrorists. Through their illegal presence in Lebanon, and their crazy Lebanese interlocutors, they got in touch with Latin American mafias and anti-American cartels. In brief, Syria should not exist, and actually it cannot exist furthermore. The Assad family is more threatening than their Iraqi counterparts who have been caught in 2003 and deservedly punished – thank God!

If America failed in Iraq, Israel has nothing to expect from Washington as regards Syria. However, Israel will have tremendous gains from an alliance with Turkey that would help remove the Damascus tyrants from the surface of the earth.

Syria demands – irresponsibly and ludicrously – the Golan heights back. Perfidious German foreign ministers pay shameless trips to Damascus to underscore Syria’s role, as if its existence is acceptable; the European Union intends to use Syria and the Palestinians against Israel in a way to bring the Israelis to their knees. Even worse, Syria is the focal interconnection of Iran, Russia, France and Gulf emirs.

Israel cannot exist with a country like this on its northern border, and Turkey cannot afford to allow Syria threaten Israel.

Turkey must view in Syria a Russian appendix.

And Israel must see in Syria an Iranian appendix.

The appendix must be effectively cut off, before it turns out to become a poisonous appendicitis.

For the joined forces of Turkey and Israel, it would be a promenade to Damascus, and they two countries must find a pretext and trigger a development, successfully involving them in a war against the Assad barbaric and tyrannical gangsters. Turkish and Israeli soldiers should meet in Damascus and will properly applauded by the long tyrannized majority of the Syrians. Three days will suffice for a war against the Burden of Damascus, and the lewd tyrant of Syria should be met with Saddam Hussein’s fate. Russia and Iran may threaten for a day or two but at the end their position will have been dramatically weakened. Europe will curse Turkey out of Brussels, but who cares for the apostate - atheist freemasons – the sons of the Perdition?

The Turco-Israeli elimination of Syria could take place even before the Americans step out of Iraq. It should then be followed by an adequate and complete replacement of the American by the Turkish flag. NATO should stay in Mesopotamia permanently. What the perspectives of a Middle East without the Palestinian, the Kurdish and the Syrian terrorists would be is the subject of a next article.


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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Darkseid » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:24 am

What would you expect? Kurdistan isn't a Draneian society. Neither is the militaristic states of Turkey and Israel.
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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Diri » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:56 am

Darkseid wrote:What would you expect? Kurdistan isn't a Draneian society. Neither is the militaristic states of Turkey and Israel.



They don't need to be that... As long as they would be democratic, everything would be solved in due time... But as long as there is corruption and all sorts of mischief going on behind the curtains, then it will be this way forever... If not even worse...
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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Darkseid » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:18 pm

Diri wrote:
Darkseid wrote:What would you expect? Kurdistan isn't a Draneian society. Neither is the militaristic states of Turkey and Israel.



They don't need to be that... As long as they would be democratic, everything would be solved in due time... But as long as there is corruption and all sorts of mischief going on behind the curtains, then it will be this way forever... If not even worse...


Wrong! Being democratic wouldn't solve any problems. America is still facing much of the same problems by being democratic and France was many times a republic and is still facing political problems similar to the ones before.

You can't just have rulings by the majority. You need a conservative system that works in a federation of subdivisions that would insure less government interference in the daily lives of human beings, while insuring the greatest extent of economic prosperity.

If what you said was true then Turkey's democratic government (though entirely secular) would be able to solve any problem involving the Kurdish people without giving them independence.
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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:53 pm

See you think "democracy" means "majority rule" and that is wrong...

In todays society and time - "Democracy" is associated with enforcement of the peoples wish - and not just the majority - but the right of speech, freedom of religion, culture, press and political organization...

Turkey CAN solve all the problems in Turkey without giving the Kurds formal independence...

Kurdistan Region of Turkey can be a state within the Federal Democratic Republic of Turkey... That would be democracy...

You assume that Turkey is a democracy... Yet you have no first hand experience or knowledge on Turkey...
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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: zurderer » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:16 pm

I think nationalism(or fasism) is main problem not non-democracy(Still a big problem) in Turkey.

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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:20 pm

zurderer wrote:I think nationalism(or fasism) is main problem not non-democracy(Still a big problem) in Turkey.


I disagree with you using "Nationalism" as a synonym of "Fascism" - they are very different in character:

Nationalism = The idea of ones own people and culture being beautiful/good...

Fascism = The idea of ones own people and culture being BETTER than others...


I am a nationalist - but I am not a fascist... Because I don't believe Kurds are better than other human beings... I believe there are good and bad in all nations!

So I am not a fascist... But there are people who believe that their nation is the best and superior to others - those people are fascists... Like Musolini of Italia and Hitler of Germany...
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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: zurderer » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:37 pm

They are just same. Both have not a mental source.

Sürü psikolojisi.

People call their fasism as nationalism and call others nationalism as fasism..


Nationalism = The idea of ones own people and culture being beautiful/good...


Also. abi mazosist değilse hangi manyak kendi kültürünün kötü olduğunu söylerki. Bu hayatın dogal kuralı zaten.

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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:26 pm

zurderer wrote:They are just same. Both have not a mental source.

Sürü psikolojisi.

People call their fasism as nationalism and call others nationalism as fasism..


Nationalism = The idea of ones own people and culture being beautiful/good...


Also. abi mazosist değilse hangi manyak kendi kültürünün kötü olduğunu söylerki. Bu hayatın dogal kuralı zaten.


:lol:

Thanks for the laugh! Hahaha :lol:

Yok abicim kendilerine soylemezler'de, başkalarinin kulturu kotu oldugunu soylerler'se faşist ismini hak etmiş olurlar... :)

But there is a clear difference between saying "My nation is better than yours" and "My nation is okey"...
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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: zurderer » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:59 pm

I agree but saying I am okey has no relation with nationalism..


Ottomans were saying they are okey too but They are not nationalists..

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Re: Turkey and Israel to transform the Orient

PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:40 pm

zurderer wrote:I agree but saying I am okey has no relation with nationalism..


Ottomans were saying they are okey too but They are not nationalists..




They were confederalists - and their empire, that's what it was, was built on tolerance... Although the "Dhimmi" were treated as second class citizen - every nation was given regional autonomy and rulership... This was good to some extent, but it left very deep marks on some - such as the Kurds - who lost out on the centralizations of the last 2 centuries... The Ottomans ended up as history in 1700, not in 1900 - because by the middle of the 18th century they had lost much of what the empire was built on: tolerance...

But - again this is off topic :lol:
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