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[xosere]

@ Diri

When will a nationalist tell the truth...

Aynur is just plain Kurdish. In Dersim region there are some Kurdish and
Turkish villages.She is from one those Kurdish villages. She doesn't even
sing in Zazaki. Except Nilufer, rest of your list is just bullshit.

We also listen to songs in other languages, nothing special.

[Diri]

@ Diri

When will a nationalist tell the truth...

Aynur is just plain Kurdish. In Dersim region there are some Kurdish and
Turkish villages.She is from one those Kurdish villages. She doesn't even
sing in Zazaki. Except Nilufer, rest of your list is just bullshit.

We also listen to songs in other languages, nothing special.

Hahaha

You should listen to her songs, then perhaps... Perhaps it's time you went and BOUGHT Aynûr's CD instead of jabbering the same ol' same ol'... She sings songs in Zazakî... And she sang MANY with the Kahraman family! Metin etc... Go find their albums if you like, and listen with your own ears...

Oh so suddenly you take back what you said about Nîlûfer? Well you certainly need to research more on the rest yourself - I won't be bothered to do your homework for you...

[xosere]

No I never said anything about Nilufer. Aynur can sing in some Zazaki songs like other Kurdish
singers, such as Ciwan Haco, Siwan Perver and others. This does not make her Zazaish.
I'm 10.000% sure Aynur is not a Zaza.

[nuray]

aynur doğan is not zaza?

[xosere]

aynur doğan is not zaza?

Yes, Aynur Dogan is not Zazaish. She is Kurdish. Neither Sozdar nor Beser Şahin is
Zazaish. As always Diri lies. Lies, lies, and lies that is what bigot nationalist good
about it.

This is from an interview:

Metin-Kemal Kahraman, Mikail Aslan gibi Dersim yöresinden Zazaca müzik yapan sanatçılarla, ayrı ayrı, çalışmalar içerisine girdiniz. Bunun nedeni sizin de Dersimli olmanız mı? Zazaca müzik yapmayı düşündünüz mü?

Öncelikle müzik çalışmalarını taktir etmem ve başarılı bulmam sadece Dersim’li olmamdan kaynaklanmıyor. Çünkü ciddi emek verilen çalışmalar sundular. Zazaca müziğine gelirsek, zaten benim albümümde Zazaca kılamlar var ve bana hiç uzak değil ana dilim kurmanci gibi çok yakın. Çünkü ben aynı zamanda Zazaca kültürüyle de şeklendim. İç içe yaşayan ve aynı inançları taşıyan Dersim halkı hep birbirleriyle çok alakalı olmuştur. Dersim’de nerdeyse herkes herkesi tanır durumda ve çok da barışık yaşarlar.

Link: http://www.xelkedondurma.com/cand/hevpe ... _dogan.htm

She just says that she is Kurdish.

[Marie K.]

my conclusion (with the help of my kurdish friend) about if Kurd are aryan or not (with a sum up of kurdish history):

Medes had settled in central and north western Iran and begun to get blended between Mannians and others indo-european nations who were inhabiting in this area.
At that time, Media kingdom was consisted of East Kurdistan (Iraq), West Central and Northern Iran;
many Medians/Medes had been to Hurria (north Kurdistan) and had left their own hometown (Central Iran), as a result a new nation was born : Mittanis whose the language was a Median-Hurrian dialect (Modern kurdmanji-Kurdish). Thats why there is almost no any kurdish population in central iran nowadays..
Medes were from indo-european (Aryan) ethnic background & roots settled themselves in every Hurrian cities and had rebuilt them.
Medes from Northern Hurria were called Mittani or Mattani while Medes from Southern Hurria were called Gutian/Goti.
All Gutians, Mittanis and Median were one nation (Mîdî);
Victory after victory, Gutians, who were often at war with assyrians.
After the fall of assyrian empire, many Median tribes who were from Bêstûn, Hemedan had come to South Kurdland and Assyria and begun to settled in there. Erbil,Kerkûk were some among other cities which had been built by Gutian-Medes (who were settled in those area) but after times it had occured that this place was captured by Assyrians (who are from Semitic/Arabs/Mesopotamia roots;
Mittani, Gutian and Medes (Median) all of them were from same background but they used to spoke several dialects. Urartians were, for many of them, from ancestors to modern kurdmanji-kurd;
for instance, in south-east Kurdland, kurdmanji-kurds used to wear exactly same clothes as others kurds but in North Kurdland they used to wear different clothes..
During 250 years, brave Medes got united to more than 6 indo-european nation which was become Median empire.
Cyrus the great,indeed, Cyraxes/Keyxesrew was from Kurd-Iranian roots along with Zarathustra who was born in Urmia ( this area is still a Median/Kurdish place).
Zoroastrianism is founded as the religion of Medya.
Medes used to celebrate the new year (Newroz) at the beginning of Spring. Under the rule of Cyaxares in 626 BC, the Median Empire extended itself.
Thus, Media/Kurdish empire (Mîdya, Medya,Medua,Mada) was stretched out into 5 provinces: Greater Media/Iranian Kurdistan, Atropatane Media/Azerbaijan,Adiabene/Southern Kurdistan,Curduene/Turkish Kurdistan.

Achaemenid Empire was the second biggest Median-Persian Empire, Median Lord and Median Army joined Cyrus/Kurroj (son of Mandana daughter), had went to Ecbatana/Hermedan and captured it thereafter.
Persian army couldn't defeated Median Empire. A revolt against their own king (Astyag), was initiated by a former Median General, which leads to the fall of the Median Empire. This king had a strong power inner the Achaemenid Empire. In Median army, mostly each leader and soldier were from Medes.


After the fall of Achaemenid Empire,the greek army captured Media and divided this area into 2 parts: Media Atropatene-Mannia and Greater Media;
Then, Mannia people who were from caucasian roots had become Medes and used to spoke a Median-kurdish language.
Some Mannia (Manneans) had begun to called themselves: "azeri" and forget about their kurd roots.
During Alexander the great reign, Media consisted of Conduene, Greater Media, Atropatene and Adiabete.

Therefore Modern Kurds are a mixed nation between Hurria (a caucasian people) and Medes (who are from indo-european people= Aryans)
Aryans tribes mixed with Hurrians which had been created Mittanis civilisation.
Consequently some indo-european tribes mixed to Hurrians and many others nation were created: (Urartians,Gutians,Armenians),
Gutians who were from Gutium (Germîyan Province) won against Akkadian Empire and captured a big part of Elam. During median Empire, all of those nations became Medes: a new nation was born: the Kurd..whose their history go back to more than 6300 BC.

[Marie K.]

aynur doğan is not zaza?

Yes, Aynur Dogan is not Zazaish. She is Kurdish. Neither Sozdar nor Beser Şahin is
Zazaish. As always Diri lies. Lies, lies, and lies that is what bigot nationalist good
about it.

This is from an interview:

Metin-Kemal Kahraman, Mikail Aslan gibi Dersim yöresinden Zazaca müzik yapan sanatçılarla, ayrı ayrı, çalışmalar içerisine girdiniz. Bunun nedeni sizin de Dersimli olmanız mı? Zazaca müzik yapmayı düşündünüz mü?

Öncelikle müzik çalışmalarını taktir etmem ve başarılı bulmam sadece Dersim’li olmamdan kaynaklanmıyor. Çünkü ciddi emek verilen çalışmalar sundular. Zazaca müziğine gelirsek, zaten benim albümümde Zazaca kılamlar var ve bana hiç uzak değil ana dilim kurmanci gibi çok yakın. Çünkü ben aynı zamanda Zazaca kültürüyle de şeklendim. İç içe yaşayan ve aynı inançları taşıyan Dersim halkı hep birbirleriyle çok alakalı olmuştur. Dersim’de nerdeyse herkes herkesi tanır durumda ve çok da barışık yaşarlar.

Link: http://www.xelkedondurma.com/cand/hevpe ... _dogan.htm

She just says that she is Kurdish.

Aynur Dogan is maybe kurdish but she looks like a mixture between kurd and turk..(same as Ceylan)
cuz unfortunately some kurd in turkey had to turkified themselves,
contrary to Chopy and Nadia who are from south kurdistan and who look like 100% kurd.

[Diri]

Aynur Dogan is maybe kurdish but she looks like a mixture between kurd and turk..(same as Ceylan)
cuz unfortunately some kurd in turkey had to turkified themselves,
contrary to Chopy and Nadia who are from south kurdistan and who look like 100% kurd.

You are so wrong about that...

You will find people in South Kurdistan who look like copies of Aynûr...

If I were you, I'd not categorize people into phonotypes without having adequate knowledge on Kurdish phonotypes... Kurds are probably the most diverse looking people on earth... You will find women like Aynûr, Dilniya, Çopî, Ceylan, Beser Şahîn, Seher Dilovan, Leyla Ferîqî, Sozdar, Baxan, Fatê, Dilba, Zîlan - who are people with VERY different facial features...

I'm gonna make a thread about this to solve this mess up once and for all..

@Xosere

OF COURSE Beser Şahîn is Zazakî Kurdish... Where did you get that from?
And next, you're gonna say Ceylan isn't Kurdish either... Just like you denied Yildiz Tilbe being Kurdish... Damn it - both of them have said some very patriotic things - Ceylan said in a live interview on TV that "without Kurdish artists in Turkey, there would hardly be any artists in Turkey"...

Sezen Aksu is Zazakî - but she's somewhat assimilated...

[Marie K.]

Aynur Dogan is maybe kurdish but she looks like a mixture between kurd and turk..(same as Ceylan)
cuz unfortunately some kurd in turkey had to turkified themselves,
contrary to Chopy and Nadia who are from south kurdistan and who look like 100% kurd.

You are so wrong about that...

You will find people in South Kurdistan who look like copies of Aynûr...

If I were you, I'd not categorize people into phonotypes without having adequate knowledge on Kurdish phonotypes... Kurds are probably the most diverse looking people on earth... You will find women like Aynûr, Dilniya, Çopî, Ceylan, Beser Şahîn, Seher Dilovan, Leyla Ferîqî, Sozdar, Baxan, Fatê, Dilba, Zîlan - who are people with VERY different facial features...

I'm gonna make a thread about this to solve this mess up once and for all..

@Xosere

OF COURSE Beser Şahîn is Zazakî Kurdish... Where did you get that from?
And next, you're gonna say Ceylan isn't Kurdish either... Just like you denied Yildiz Tilbe being Kurdish... Damn it - both of them have said some very patriotic things - Ceylan said in a live interview on TV that "without Kurdish artists in Turkey, there would hardly be any artists in Turkey"...

Sezen Aksu is Zazakî - but she's somewhat assimilated...

ok its possible .. its nice idea Diri if ud do a topic about different kurdish phonotypes im very interesting to know more about it and im sure im not the only one..here
but ive also asked my friend about it..she have said:

"there are blond kurds between Kurds of turkey! they have got more indo-europan blood than all iranian nations! i know many of them who have green eyes! their boys are very handsome while their girls (not all of them) are less good-lookin! or not nicer than the boys! but among the girls there are two many of them who look like Persian girls and other Kurdish girls! (they have big and nice eyes). any way Kurdish girls from Iran and a part of iraqi Kurdish girls are very nice they look like other iranian girls! but the Men (75% of them look like other iranians) their eyes are very nice! allways Kurdish men are nicer than the women! maybe it is because of Y-chromosome! unfortunatelly race-mixture has been occured! ugly assyrian+babylonian women were brought to Media and they got kurdish housebands!!!!!!"

i think ill said to her to join our forum cuz its not appropriate at each time ive quoted her;-)

[Diri]

Yes - please do ask her to join the forum...

When it comes to the phenotypes - I've started a thread in the Shout Room... Please add photos of other Kurdish women and men - that you may find on the net or that you have on your computers...

[xosere]

@Xosere

OF COURSE Beser Şahîn is Zazakî Kurdish... Where did you get that from?
And next, you're gonna say Ceylan isn't Kurdish either... Just like you denied Yildiz Tilbe being Kurdish... Damn it - both of them have said some very patriotic things - Ceylan said in a live interview on TV that "without Kurdish artists in Turkey, there would hardly be any artists in Turkey"...

Sezen Aksu is Zazakî - but she's somewhat assimilated...

Just not continue to lie. Neither there is such a thing "Zazaki Kurdish"
nor Beser, Sozdar, and Aynur are Zaza.

[Piling]

llways Kurdish men are nicer than the women!

I absolutely agree with that ! Except for children, who are equals, though boys are shyer and so cute.

[raman82]

my conclusion (with the help of my kurdish friend) about if Kurd are aryan or not (with a sum up of kurdish history):

Medes had settled in central and north western Iran and begun to get blended between Mannians and others indo-european nations who were inhabiting in this area.
At that time, Media kingdom was consisted of East Kurdistan (Iraq), West Central and Northern Iran;
many Medians/Medes had been to Hurria (north Kurdistan) and had left their own hometown (Central Iran), as a result a new nation was born : Mittanis whose the language was a Median-Hurrian dialect (Modern kurdmanji-Kurdish). Thats why there is almost no any kurdish population in central iran nowadays..
Medes were from indo-european (Aryan) ethnic background & roots settled themselves in every Hurrian cities and had rebuilt them.
Medes from Northern Hurria were called Mittani or Mattani while Medes from Southern Hurria were called Gutian/Goti.
All Gutians, Mittanis and Median were one nation (Mîdî);
Victory after victory, Gutians, who were often at war with assyrians.
After the fall of assyrian empire, many Median tribes who were from Bêstûn, Hemedan had come to South Kurdland and Assyria and begun to settled in there. Erbil,Kerkûk were some among other cities which had been built by Gutian-Medes (who were settled in those area) but after times it had occured that this place was captured by Assyrians (who are from Semitic/Arabs/Mesopotamia roots;
Mittani, Gutian and Medes (Median) all of them were from same background but they used to spoke several dialects. Urartians were, for many of them, from ancestors to modern kurdmanji-kurd;
for instance, in south-east Kurdland, kurdmanji-kurds used to wear exactly same clothes as others kurds but in North Kurdland they used to wear different clothes..
During 250 years, brave Medes got united to more than 6 indo-european nation which was become Median empire.
Cyrus the great,indeed, Cyraxes/Keyxesrew was from Kurd-Iranian roots along with Zarathustra who was born in Urmia ( this area is still a Median/Kurdish place).
Zoroastrianism is founded as the religion of Medya.
Medes used to celebrate the new year (Newroz) at the beginning of Spring. Under the rule of Cyaxares in 626 BC, the Median Empire extended itself.
Thus, Media/Kurdish empire (Mîdya, Medya,Medua,Mada) was stretched out into 5 provinces: Greater Media/Iranian Kurdistan, Atropatane Media/Azerbaijan,Adiabene/Southern Kurdistan,Curduene/Turkish Kurdistan.

Achaemenid Empire was the second biggest Median-Persian Empire, Median Lord and Median Army joined Cyrus/Kurroj (son of Mandana daughter), had went to Ecbatana/Hermedan and captured it thereafter.
Persian army couldn't defeated Median Empire. A revolt against their own king (Astyag), was initiated by a former Median General, which leads to the fall of the Median Empire. This king had a strong power inner the Achaemenid Empire. In Median army, mostly each leader and soldier were from Medes.


After the fall of Achaemenid Empire,the greek army captured Media and divided this area into 2 parts: Media Atropatene-Mannia and Greater Media;
Then, Mannia people who were from caucasian roots had become Medes and used to spoke a Median-kurdish language.
Some Mannia (Manneans) had begun to called themselves: "azeri" and forget about their kurd roots.
During Alexander the great reign, Media consisted of Conduene, Greater Media, Atropatene and Adiabete.

Therefore Modern Kurds are a mixed nation between Hurria (a caucasian people) and Medes (who are from indo-european people= Aryans)
Aryans tribes mixed with Hurrians which had been created Mittanis civilisation.
Consequently some indo-european tribes mixed to Hurrians and many others nation were created: (Urartians,Gutians,Armenians),
Gutians who were from Gutium (Germîyan Province) won against Akkadian Empire and captured a big part of Elam. During median Empire, all of those nations became Medes: a new nation was born: the Kurd..whose their history go back to more than 6300 BC.

Mittani or not Iranic or Median btw , they are Vedic Indo Aryan , they learnt to speak Hurrian because most of the populus was Hurrian but a lot of their treaties are written in Sanskrit not Iranic terms which has Zs a lot but Z doesnt exist in Sanskrit.

[Johny Bravo]

Aynur Dogan:

http://images.google.at/images?gbv=2&sv ... lder-Suche

Chopy:

http://images.google.at/images?hl=de&q= ... uche&gbv=2

I see at chopy TURANOID mixture. Aynur Dogan has 0% turkish influence. Chopy has a typical turanoid influence, like 50% kurdish + 50% turkmenic / azeric, see her finely face, look at the eyes, the turanoid scull form, as Barzani and other Kurds. Or as some persians, many of them are also mixed with turkic people. Maybe Ceylan can have armenian influence. But real turkmenic mix is like chopy.

[Johny Bravo]

Beser Şahîn
Mîkael Aslan
Aynur Doxan
Kahraman family
Nilûfer Akbal
Sozdar

i will ask baran ruciyar about this, he is an expert. than i answer you.