Where is the Constitution of Kurdistan?

[sorgul]

They did spend fortune on killing each other in years, could not they just set up a centre to discus these options?

they spend a fortune on themselves...and thier lovely marble castles, benz's,gold,bodygrauds..etc

[Binyamin]

What ever they did, and will do, we shall never forget that we all as individuals are accounted as well. We have provided them shield and legitimacy with our silence and passivity. Just look at the latest events. We voted, while we accepted their most undemocratic way of preceding the Kurdistan parliamentary election (the KDP and PUK package and no free open-election on individuals and candidate for MP), and we as citizens have not said a word in last four months with all dragging and disputes about leadership. There is no sign of law, order and constitution talk. Every thing is behind closed door, and we keep watching like that is not our life and future they are messing with.

What I am saying, we should not be surprise of the out come since we are a passive nation when it comes to internal affaires. 17 parliamentarians decided to go in the parliament last week, but no Kurdish citizens were there to support them. It sounded like a joke. I saw people in Ukraine standing in the snow, day and night for 40 days to make sure that their right is preserved and no one play with their fundamental rights, their freedom and democracy. Where is the voice of 1.9 Million Kurds who did cast their vote for free Kurdistan? WE ARE ALL ACCOUNTED AS CITIZENS.

[Vladimir]

There is a need for a fundamental change. Why the first go to Iraq and forget about their own government in Kurdistan?
Why do all parties have the name "Kurdistan" in it?
Maybe it's better that the KDP is called Iraqi "Democratic" Party and PUK Patriotic Union of Iraq..

Mirov Serwer right?

[Binyamin]

They selected the postes in Parliament not elect them :)

http://www.peyamner.com/article.php?id= ... ng=kurdish

[ZaniYar]

They selected the postes in Parliament not elect them

http://www.peyamner.com/article.php?id= ... ng=kurdish

Binyamin, I couldn't stop laughing for a while when I read that the Islamist candidates put their hands on bible instead of Quraan while they were swearing in and others used the word (Gall) instead of(Gal) nation. These two words in kurdish are phonemics gall and gal. hahahaha

Did u read that?

[Binyamin]

It is nice to be represented that way, while they have invited many Iraqi and International personalities. They could at least hand those tow lines to them day before and ask them to read it couple times, to distinguish between "Gel" and "Gell". The nice thing is they where very nervous, good save us! The politician, especially MP should be good speakers and comfortable. I guess there us no condition to get a chair there but be aware which side of the river you belong. :)

How ever this is good, tomorrow they will file some pre-decided rule and go home. They do not need to discuss or to add any thing. This is the democracy we want the central government to carbon-copy from us.

Hurra Hurra we made the history; NOW WE HAVE A PARLIAMNET AT LAST!

[Diri]

That thing about "GEL" and "GELL"...

I guess both of you are Soranî speaking... Zaniyar and Binyamin... Gel and Gell do not have the same meaning in Kurmanci as in Soranî--- Gel AND GELL can and DO in ome dialects mean both "people/nation" and "with"...

I can't read arabic yet... so I wonder- was that where you read about this inccident? hmmm... that should someway tell you something about the news agency...

BUT yes- finally.. after MORE than 4 months... its about time - Kurdistan has been waiting for thousands of years and at ever last she is rewarded with what appereantly is less democratic than The Democratic Republic of Kongo... metaphorically of course...

Lets just hope that those we call "politicians" serve the people and not their own stomachs...

[Binyamin]

Dear Dírí,

I am not Central Kurdish Speaker "Soraní", I am Kurdish speaker, I know that some of the sub dialect of Northern Kurdish dialect "Kurmanjí" lack the Velar "ll" like the dialect of Jizre, which is the dialect of the J. Bedir Xan founder of Kurdish Latin based alphabet, But one of the critical point about the alphabet fall right to the usage of this word, in writing, read his biography at http://www.KurdishAcademy.org.
What happen in the parliament was that these people were reading from Arabic script which distinguishes between "l" and "ll" in writing, and they miss read it, :)

[Diri]

Binyamin - whats up with denying a fact???

You are from South/South East Kurdistan... YOU SPEAK SORANÎ... Right???

You are not doing Kurds a favour by only calling yourself "Kurdish speaking"... You can tell that to Europeans or other outsiders - we Kurds KNOW there is a distinct difference between South Kurmancî (also known as Kurmancî) and North Kurmancî (also known as Soranî)...

No, the version of the alphabet that Bedirxan formed and priduced - does not "lack" the "ll"... IT is just not a single alphabet - You can still put together two "l's" and make the "ll" sound... And - yes - I KNOW what sound that is... WE DO HAVE IT!!! in words such as: "Llat"... Can't think of any other in the speed of writing... But there are definetly more words with the "ll" sound in Kurmancî...

Keep in mind that for us Kurds it is sincerly a POSTIVE aspect of Kurdish - the many dialects we have I mean... It only makes our language richer and more diversified...

[Binyamin]

You and I have a bit of communication problem. You believe that any thing I say is to undermine you as a person. But that is not the case, it is just happen that you raise a question and I feel like to explain it to you. My remark regarding speaking Kurdish meant to address that I am a Kurdish Speaker, which simply mean I do read, write, and speak all the dialects in Kurdish, I have not learned my dialect I have learned Kurdish. Now, I am speaker of Goraní dialect of Southern Kurdish, which you might call it Kirmashaní, read a bit about us http://www.kirmashan.com I am not so called Soraní speaker. Therefore, I am not denying any facts.

One fundamental rule about all the Kurdish grammar says that the velar “ll” never takes an initial position. That means there is no word which starts with “ll”. And the other rule says all the words starting with r are pronounced as a trill “rr”. Unfortunately there was no constructive, linguistic grammar available at the time when the orthographic system of Kurdish was coded by J.B. and other pioneers, so the system has dropped many significant characteristic about the natural form of Kurdish.

If the MPs at the parliament who read the thing wrong were Northern Kurdish Speakers, they would be save since they do not have the knowledge of the Gel, and Gell and they read both as “gel”, but those who made the mistake were very much Central Kurdish speakers.
I hope that this clear things better.

[Diri]

Hey brother - we are ONLY discussing - I do NOT take thing personally... Believe me I have better things to do...

May I ask you how old you are??? And what education you have had?