Are kurds Iranian? No.

[Kulka]

no, no, words like that are a part of every language and sometimes are very useful

[Azamat]

To see Kurds fighting over their spiritual differences makes me feel sick to the stomach. We should ban Islam and all other religions from our political and military matters. Our religion is something we should keep to ourselves, and it should not be of influence to anything that exceeds that. Under the banner of 'peace', Islam promotes an inferiority complex, which saddenly, the Kurds already have, and it withholds us from thinking rationally. Islam denounces nationalism and promotes petty conflicts. If we were to embrace Islam in all aspects of life, our statelesshood will be secured for eternity, which is totally undesirable.

And no, I do not agree on excluding Kermanshah from an independent Kurdish state. Such an opinion can only be motivated by foolish thoughts and spritual differences. Every inch of land that is part of our indigenous homeland should be included in a Kurdish state. Armenia-style.

[ocmentos]

To see Kurds fighting over their spiritual differences makes me feel sick to the stomach. We should ban Islam and all other religions from our political and military matters. Our religion is something we should keep to ourselves, and it should not be of influence to anything that exceeds that. Under the banner of 'peace', Islam promotes an inferiority complex, which saddenly, the Kurds already have, and it withholds us from thinking rationally. Islam denounces nationalism and promotes petty conflicts. If we were to embrace Islam in all aspects of life, our statelesshood will be secured for eternity, which is totally undesirable.

And no, I do not agree on excluding Kermanshah from an independent Kurdish state. Such an opinion can only be motivated by foolish thoughts and spritual differences. Every inch of land that is part of our indigenous homeland should be included in a Kurdish state.

The constitution of the KRG declares Islam as the basis of all laws and religion of state (region) ... when it was put first, it wasn't like this, but because of the Islamist they added this stupid point!

[Azamat]

To see Kurds fighting over their spiritual differences makes me feel sick to the stomach. We should ban Islam and all other religions from our political and military matters. Our religion is something we should keep to ourselves, and it should not be of influence to anything that exceeds that. Under the banner of 'peace', Islam promotes an inferiority complex, which saddenly, the Kurds already have, and it withholds us from thinking rationally. Islam denounces nationalism and promotes petty conflicts. If we were to embrace Islam in all aspects of life, our statelesshood will be secured for eternity, which is totally undesirable.

And no, I do not agree on excluding Kermanshah from an independent Kurdish state. Such an opinion can only be motivated by foolish thoughts and spritual differences. Every inch of land that is part of our indigenous homeland should be included in a Kurdish state.

The constitution of the KRG declares Islam as the basis of all laws and religion of state (region) ... when it was put first, it wasn't like this, but because of the Islamist they added this stupid point!

Secularism opposes modern Iraqi politics and can be the next step to secession and ultimately independence. That is the way KRG should follow, and any Islamist political presence should be fiercely suppressed.

[Kulka]

i completly agree to my brother kak Azamat

[kurdimemin_diako]

and I am disagree .
ئه گه ر ئه ونده ته ره فداری دیموکراسین بو ریفراندومیک به رگوزار نه که ن که بزانن مه ردم چی یان ده بیت ؟
then u will see more people vote for Islamic kurdistan or Secularism .

[ideas]

The Kurdistan law is contradictive, it states that although laws passed in kurdistan will take into account Sharia law, a law can only be passed via a democratic majority vote and hence if the majority MP's are secular the government and laws will also be secular.

[New Corduene]

Kurds are Iranian when it comes to background. You do realize that the term Iran has come from the word (Aryan) which is one of the Kurdish roots alongside the (Hurrians).

The problem is that nowadays, the term (Iran) has become synonym to (Persian) and for that a Kurd is considered to be (Persian) by saying he is (Iranian)!
For that reason, we are seeing an increased use of an "invented" new word which is (Iranic). This new word is used to replace the old (Iran) and be used to indicate one's (Aryan-ness). Hence, Kurds are better to say that they are of (Iranic) roots not (Iranian), which would indicate their ancient Aryans ancestry and not their being Iranian citizens.

[Azamat]

Kurds are Iranian when it comes to background. You do realize that the term Iran has come from the word (Aryan) which is one of the Kurdish roots alongside the (Hurrians).

The Hurrians are still our main ancestors. Linguistic identity it not the only factor to take into consideration when determining origins. Being descendants of the Hurrians, we possess a long genetic continuity in the region which precedes that of any other ethnic group there. Despite extinguishment of Hurrian culture and language by invading Aryans, some Hurrian legacy still lives on in the modern Kurds(names like Talabani for instance) Even the genetic makeup of today's Kurds has only been evolved or slighty altered from the Hurrian era instead of having replaced it, despite Iranian(Medes, Scythian, etc.) interposition.
The Kurds are quite different from other Iranian-spraking peoples when it comes to genetics. For instance, Kurds show some close genetic ties to several Caucasus peoples, who speak languages that are possibly originated from Hurrian.

You can compare it to the Balkan peoples, who speak Slavic languages but are actually primarily descended from peoples who lived there before Slavic interposition.

[New Corduene]

Kurds are Iranian when it comes to background. You do realize that the term Iran has come from the word (Aryan) which is one of the Kurdish roots alongside the (Hurrians).

The Hurrians are still our main ancestors. Linguistic identity it not the only factor to take into consideration when determining origins. Being descendants of the Hurrians, we possess a long genetic continuity in the region which precedes that of any other ethnic group there. Despite extinguishment of Hurrian culture and language by invading Aryans, some Hurrian legacy still lives on in the modern Kurds(names like Talabani for instance) Even the genetic makeup of today's Kurds has only been evolved or slighty altered from the Hurrian era instead of having replaced it, despite Iranian(Medes, Scythian, etc.) interposition.
The Kurds are quite different from other Iranian-spraking peoples when it comes to genetics. For instance, Kurds show some close genetic ties to several Caucasus peoples, who speak languages that are possibly originated from Hurrian.

You can compare it to the Balkan peoples, who speak Slavic languages but are actually primarily descended from peoples who lived there before Slavic interposition.

Very good points here.

Izady can be credited for spearheading the movement of Hurrian ancestry. Prior to his writings, almost every reliable source brought the Kurdish history up to the Medes and paused there. Nowadays there is another movement challenging the basic idea of Kurds' Median roots by stating that Kurds are actually the descendants of the Scythians not the Medes.

All the above mentioned are hypothesis and have not been fully proven. I personally agree with your (and Izady's) approach about Kurds' Hurrian ancestry, but surely more researches are needed to authenticize the theories.

As for the point discussing Kurds have more of which, Hurrians or Iranic Medes. I believe Kurds have a bit of both, but definitely more Iranic than Caucasian. Not only their language is almost completely Iranic (North-western branch of Iranian language), but their customs and traits, at least most of them, are fully Iranic. This does not mean we have to exclude the Hurrian-ness of the Kurds, but I believe they are more Median-Iranic the Hurrian.

I'm sure talking further will get us into a never-ending discussion, so let's simply accept what we believe is right.

[Azamat]

As for the point discussing Kurds have more of which, Hurrians or Iranic Medes. I believe Kurds have a bit of both, but definitely more Iranic than Caucasian. Not only their language is almost completely Iranic (North-western branch of Iranian language), but their customs and traits, at least most of them, are fully Iranic. This does not mean we have to exclude the Hurrian-ness of the Kurds, but I believe they are more Median-Iranic the Hurrian.

I'm sure talking further will get us into a never-ending discussion, so let's simply accept what we believe is right.

It's not about wheter the modern-day Kurds should be designated 'Iranic' or not, because that's quite obvious. When 'Hurrian-ness' enters the subject, it is about the evolution of Hurrians into Kurds throughout antiquity, instead of Iranic interposition having completely exterminated the continuity of Kurds as an ancient group, descended from Hurrians, in the exact region they are living in now. That's a common misconception. The Kurds are now primarily Iranic, yes. But nevertheless, they can still claim to be the main descendants of a single ethnic group(Hurrians) that inhabited the region before any other ethnic group there, and there are some clear indicators for that.

It's a shame that Izady, a very intelligent man and qualified historian, isn't considered very neutral by the academic community. Most likely because his fantastic discoveries have the potential to become a serious hindrance to Armenian and Assyrian nationalists/irredentists claiming ancient Kurdish land.

[New Corduene]

As for the point discussing Kurds have more of which, Hurrians or Iranic Medes. I believe Kurds have a bit of both, but definitely more Iranic than Caucasian. Not only their language is almost completely Iranic (North-western branch of Iranian language), but their customs and traits, at least most of them, are fully Iranic. This does not mean we have to exclude the Hurrian-ness of the Kurds, but I believe they are more Median-Iranic the Hurrian.

I'm sure talking further will get us into a never-ending discussion, so let's simply accept what we believe is right.

It's not about wheter the modern-day Kurds should be designated 'Iranic' or not, because that's quite obvious. When 'Hurrian-ness' enters the subject, it is about the evolution of Hurrians into Kurds throughout antiquity, instead of Iranic interposition having completely exterminated the continuity of Kurds as an ancient group, descended from Hurrians, in the exact region they are living in now. That's a common misconception. The Kurds are now primarily Iranic, yes. But nevertheless, they can still claim to be the main descendants of a single ethnic group(Hurrians) that inhabited the region before any other ethnic group there, and there are some clear indicators for that.

It's a shame that Izady, a very intelligent man and qualified historian, isn't considered very neutral by the academic community. Most likely because his fantastic discoveries have the potential to become a serious hindrance to Armenian and Assyrian nationalists/irredentists claiming ancient Kurdish land.

I agree on every point, you clarified it better than me. Indeed Kurds can pride themselves of being the the first people ever roamed their land in known-history. Izady, who I consider the best living Kurdish historian, did all he could. But unfortunately, he never got the support he needed to finish his researches fully and gave up on writing for/about the Kurds in 1998. His works are still left unfinished and most foreigners, especially those you mention, ridicule his findings and discoveries, and due to the lack of other efficient historians to replace or finish Izady's works, Kurds' Hurrian ancestry is considered a myth by most. A shame indeed.