Kurd Faylis pictures

[Kurdistano]

You do realise there not all Kurds. As I said that was an international conference for all Iraqi parties. Please then point me out the Kurds in that video if you think they are Kurdish all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnHl-Jhr9I&feature=plcp

Well I thought you said all the people in the video were Kurds.

[jjmuneer]

You do realise there not all Kurds. As I said that was an international conference for all Iraqi parties. Please then point me out the Kurds in that video if you think they are Kurdish all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnHl-Jhr9I&feature=plcp

Well I thought you said all the people in the video were Kurds.

I did, but someone changed the link. I posted the one with the Kurdidsh speaker and the stand had FKF on it.

[jjmuneer]

@ JJmuneer
Please stop associating us with Iranian and Iraqis . I do not know if you understand it or not , but any sort of connection with these people is degrading to kurds and Kurdistan . The faylee's association with arabs and Iranian might be a norm for you , but it is not for most if not all those who call themselves kurds and kurdistanis .

Frankly images like this and some othere you posted are embarrassing and has nothing to do with Kurdistan . Now feel free to post stuff like this in the religion section , but do not get upset or claim discrimination when people dislike it or disagree with arab/iranian/fayless stuff you post .

What does it have to do with religon? Were not discussing anything, they are merely pictures. Even so not all of them are "religon" pictures. "but it is not for most if not all those who call themselves kurds and kurdistanis ." What are you even implying? That were not Kurds? Yeh your right. Lol what have you done for Kurdistan except talk shit about us? If you really care you would instead of bitching on the internet, go and bitch to their face. I hate to sound rude, but you kept nagging and nagging like you know it all. I'll go to Ilam with you if your so brave, you want to kill Iranian gaurds? Lets do it, I'm up for it.
Its also funny how you deviate from the questions I asked you, as you do not know how to respond. The last time I checked Talabani and Barzani fought with Iran, yet you don't seem so embrassed about that. Oh its ok because they are from SK, so they must be real Kurds. Anyways don't bring that debate about religious argument, because there are no extremist kurd Faylis, unlike in SK. What exactly do you want us you to do? I mean so its ok for the PDK and KDP to talk with Arab parties and particpate in the Iraqi federal system, but not Kurd Faylis? Now where is the logic in that. Do what you like, because your concern seems to be more about your own image than your people.

[ideas]

Look when I refer to Soranis I mean Southern Kurds, and Kurmancis Northern. Of course if someone would ask me what ethnicitiy I was, I wouldn't go Kurd Fayli, I would just say Kurd. The thing is if they asked me for my tribe, then I would say. There was actually a Ezidi who knew I was a Kurd Fayli, he explained himself, and said there was no difference. That is what respect it. I hope people don't think I can't take critisizism, because I can, but it what some people here say that confuses. When ever people say "Kurd fayli and like arab", it really confuses me in how Southern Kurds can say that lol. I;m not seperating Kurds, but tell me is it wrong to be proud of your tribe? See some of you here do not take pride in your tribe, I'm not saying create tribalism or differences, but have pride. We Pehlis achieved many things, and I am proud of my Parthian ancestors. Is this a crime? Anyways I'm just trying to say if I came across as a tribalist, well I'm not in that sense, but I think people should still use tribal names. Of course with the word Kurd first, anyways I'm sorry if I hurt anyones feeling, but I felt as if members here were attacking me and the Faylis.

First of all you are mixing it up. Sorani is Southern Kurmanji, not the term used for all Southern Kurds. Kurds from Duhok are Badini and infact are of the sames tribes from bordering towns in the North. I'm disappointed at the fact that you used 'Soranis burn churches' as your argument because not only is it ignorant but not true at all, for me personally if a Kurmanji Kurds, say for as a group do wrong, I would take the blame as the Kurdish ethnic group because I don't like separation (as you are doing). It's also very shameful for me to inform you of all the massacres the Christians committed when the Russians or other bigger Christian nations were around. You are too tribal for my liking and while you may not realise it but tribalism does indeed create division, I mean just stop and look at your own posts, you claim to put your Kurdishness above your tribe, however as soon as something says one thing about your tribe you respond with negative allegations about the whole dialect group (i.e. what you said about Soranis), and so you clearly don't. 'Tribe pride' is no good in this age. People have told you over and over again that they have no issues with faylies, but possibly the Shia sect, and infact the criticizer is a member that doesn't like Islam at all, and yet you chose to lash out at Soranis because the member also happens to be Sorani (Again, effects of Tribal divisions). That is all I post on here becuase I don't want to drag this on too much, but I'm very disappointed in you.

[talsor]

What does it have to do with religon? Were not discussing anything, they are merely pictures.

seriuosly ?:-D read the comments on your thread and decide where we should put this .

Even so not all of them are "religon" pictures. "but it is not for most if not all those who call themselves kurds and kurdistanis ." What are you even implying? That were not Kurds? Yeh your right.

Here we go ..

Lol what have you done for Kurdistan except talk shit about us? If you really care you would instead of bitching on the internet, go and bitch to their face. I hate to sound rude, but you kept nagging and nagging like you know it all. I'll go to Ilam with you if your so brave, you want to kill Iranian gaurds? Lets do it, I'm up for it.

I do not doubt your courage , I'm sure you are a very brave man and there is no "US" and "YOU" . It is just US would not you agree ? Criticism or as you put it so politely "talking shit " "bitching " "nagging " should not upset you this much unless it hold some truth to it .

Its also funny how you deviate from the questions I asked you, as you do not know how to respond. The last time I checked Talabani and Barzani fought with Iran, yet you don't seem so embrassed about that. Oh its ok because they are from SK, so they must be real Kurds.

I'm sorry for my short coming due to lack of education and sensitivity , so I tend to say it as it is and that is why I unintentional to upset people sometimes . As for Talabani and Barzani , they did fight with Iran against saddam for Kurdistan and not for Iran right ? and there lies the difference .

Anyways don't bring that debate about religious argument, because there are no extremist kurd Faylis, unlike in SK.

Faylees are not extermist and they can not afford to be . Like you said " we are the jews of Kurds " , so their own interests comes before anything else .

What exactly do you want us you to do? I mean so its ok for the PDK and KDP to talk with Arab parties and particpate in the Iraqi federal system, but not Kurd Faylis? Now where is the logic in that. Do what you like, because your concern seems to be more about your own image than your people.

and that what I have saying all day long . The faylees work within the frame of faylees and not within the frame of Kurdistan . There is no" US " for faylees . There is faylee kurds and then there is Kurds .

[jjmuneer]

Look when I refer to Soranis I mean Southern Kurds, and Kurmancis Northern. Of course if someone would ask me what ethnicitiy I was, I wouldn't go Kurd Fayli, I would just say Kurd. The thing is if they asked me for my tribe, then I would say. There was actually a Ezidi who knew I was a Kurd Fayli, he explained himself, and said there was no difference. That is what respect it. I hope people don't think I can't take critisizism, because I can, but it what some people here say that confuses. When ever people say "Kurd fayli and like arab", it really confuses me in how Southern Kurds can say that lol. I;m not seperating Kurds, but tell me is it wrong to be proud of your tribe? See some of you here do not take pride in your tribe, I'm not saying create tribalism or differences, but have pride. We Pehlis achieved many things, and I am proud of my Parthian ancestors. Is this a crime? Anyways I'm just trying to say if I came across as a tribalist, well I'm not in that sense, but I think people should still use tribal names. Of course with the word Kurd first, anyways I'm sorry if I hurt anyones feeling, but I felt as if members here were attacking me and the Faylis.

First of all you are mixing it up. Sorani is Southern Kurmanji, not the term used for all Southern Kurds. Kurds from Duhok are Badini and infact are of the sames tribes from bordering towns in the North. I'm disappointed at the fact that you used 'Soranis burn churches' as your argument because not only is it ignorant but not true at all, for me personally if a Kurmanji Kurds, say for as a group do wrong, I would take the blame as the Kurdish ethnic group because I don't like separation (as you are doing). It's also very shameful for me to inform you of all the massacres the Christians committed when the Russians or other bigger Christian nations were around. You are too tribal for my liking and while you may not realise it but tribalism does indeed create division, I mean just stop and look at your own posts, you claim to put your Kurdishness above your tribe, however as soon as something says one thing about your tribe you respond with negative allegations about the whole dialect group (i.e. what you said about Soranis), and so you clearly don't. 'Tribe pride' is no good in this age. People have told you over and over again that they have no issues with faylies, but possibly the Shia sect, and infact the criticizer is a member that doesn't like Islam at all, and yet you chose to lash out at Soranis because the member also happens to be Sorani (Again, effects of Tribal divisions). That is all I post on here becuase I don't want to drag this on too much, but I'm very disappointed in you.

Firstly Fayli isn't a tribe, its a clan, most of the southern groups like Laks Khalors and Lurs all count as Fayli. Which tribalism am I creating? People keep accusing me of tribalism, but yet you still don't understand the fundamental element or key point that is missing, or atleast your missing. Is that me or you being on this internet forum board isn't going to change history. Neither is you complaining or me refuting an argument. Which I clearly demonstrated, yet people can't swallow the truth, as their pride gets in the way of things. Some members on this board also have a serious inferiortity complex I've noticed, that they like to pass onto other people. I'm not going to name names, but it is an occurance. Thirdly where has there ever been real political unity amongst the Kurds as a whole after WW1? I mean what tribalism am I causing that hasn't been caused because of foriegn and neighbouring powers?
If I'm not allowed to express my political views or that they are opposed to yours, does that make you right or me wrong for that matter of fact? Of course not, if you want a democracy, then your going to have to live with other views from different view points. That is just life. You don't see me complaining about Kurds marrying non-Kurds or homosexual Kurds. I/we should all have tolerance, not just religious or political, but in all aspects of life. Of course the Kurds currently as a nation and people are at a stage of extremism, politically that is. It is only natural since we are in a very awkard position that forces us to act in the manner we do.
Anyways back to my point, if I was a tribalist I'd be say Malik Shahi or Moosi Kurd, which I don't. Pahli/Fayli is just a desiginator for us Parthian descended Kurds. As we sadly do not have the political unity that South Kurds have of city to city, nor do we have outside support to do so, unlike SK. If I insulted Soranis or Badinis, I'm sorry, but every single member on here is prejudice whether they think it or not. They have all developed this image in their head that only conforms to their own idea of nationalism. As with us, they try and equate Kurd Fayli with "Shia fanatic" or "Persian collaberator". How can they call me a Persian collaberator or nationalist when that is what Saddam said right after he executed a few of my family members than deported our asses to Iran?

[jjmuneer]

seriuosly ?:-D read the comments on your thread and decide where we should put this .

I don't know, maybe gallery section if you had one. As I said this is a Kurd Fayli gallery, not Shia one.

Here we go ..

So what were you implying exactly?

I do not doubting your courage , I'm sure you are a very brave man and there is no "US" and "YOU" . It is just US would not you agree ? Criticism or as you put it so politely "talking shit " "bitching " "nagging " should not upset you this much unless it hold some truth to it .

Its not upsetting me, but see the effect your trying to create on me is having the opposite impact. The more you try and talk to me like I'm a child, the more I become a "tribalist", well techincally a "clanist". Oh and i wasn't threatening you, I was being serious about going to EK.

I'm sorry for my short coming due to lack of education and sensitivity , so I tend to say it as it is and that is why I unintentional to upset people sometimes . As for Talabani and Barzani , they did fight with Iran against saddam for Kurdistan and not for Iran right ? and there lies the difference .

Wait did I not state the before, or did you purposely ignore that line? See why is when I state these things you have continue to say the same rubbish about us fight "for Iran", when I specifically said we weren't.

Faylees are not extermist and they can not afford to be . Like you said " we are the jews of Kurds " , so their own interests comes before anything else

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We are, I meant economically we were better off than most Kurds because we were educated. I thought you said there is no "us or we", only Kurd? Strange how you use the terminolgy yourself.

and that what I have saying all day long . The faylees work within the frame of faylees and not within the frame of Kurdistan . There is no" US " for faylees . There is faylee kurds and then there is Kurds .

How can they work within the framework of Kurdistan when the KRG doesn't even want Kurd Faylis to work in Kurdistan. How can they work with other Kurdish parties who only care about their own interest. You realise political parties also serve their own interest. Just look at the political system in the KRG, it is every you are against, yet you support it.

[alan131210]

How can they work within the framework of Kurdistan when the KRG doesn't even want Kurd Faylis to work in Kurdistan.

JJ

How did you come up with this silly conclusion !!!

I also agree that majority of Feyli consider themselves as Iranians rather than Kurdistani but two things I want point out here

One there is not much JJ can do to change that

Two we can't force them to be Kurdistani if they choose ti be close to Arab and persians for religion reasons .

But the new generation are increasing their nationalism from illam and there was that recent riot in illam against mullah regime which shows things are changing ...

As pdki spokesmen said " this time EK wind will blow from illam".

But yeah the medium-older generation abroad are probably too brained washed and religious to consider themselves kurdistanis but do not forget Khanaqinis are too Feyli and we all saw what they did for KURDISTAN last year when milki wanted to test them out with the flag issue , boy he must of been like

There was a Feyli from Persian area who called SK Kurds "trouble makers" and there was a Feyli from illam who asked my bro to call himself south Kurdistani not Iraqi Kurdistani

[jjmuneer]

How can they work within the framework of Kurdistan when the KRG doesn't even want Kurd Faylis to work in Kurdistan.

JJ

How did you come up with this silly conclusion !!!

I also agree that majority of Feyli consider themselves as Iranians rather than Kurdistani but two things I want point out here

One there is not much JJ can do to change that

Two we can't force them to be Kurdistani if they choose ti be close to Arab and persians for religion reasons .

But the new generation are increasing their nationalism from illam and there was that recent riot in illam against mullah regime which shows things are changing ...

As pdki spokesmen said " this time EK wind will blow from illam".

But yeah the medium-older generation abroad are probably too brained washed and religious to consider themselves kurdistanis but do not forget Khanaqinis are too Feyli and we all saw what they did for KURDISTAN last year when milki wanted to test them out with the flag issue , boy he must of been like

There was a Feyli from Persian area who called SK Kurds "trouble makers" and there was a Feyli from illam who asked my bro to call himself south Kurdistani not Iraqi Kurdistani

I also agree that majority of Feyli consider themselves as Iranians rather than Kurdistani

And how did you even get to that conclusion? Lol I've never heard a Fayli call themselves Iranian. Peopel make claims that are un-supported our just factless, purely based on their own perception and opinions.
So my dad is brainwashed? Lol he his Kurdish, fayli, shia, old and he still supports PKK, PDK, PJAK etc. So that goes against what you just said.

I do understand what you mean, but remember there is no difference bewteen those Kurds in Ilam or Khanaqin or wherever. Bro you also say that Ilam is most nationalistc, but you miss one thing, alot of them Kurd Faylis are orginally from baghdad, and they got deported there. Well not most, but quite a few.

To add all Kurd faylis supprot independant Kurdistan, but sadly there are a few like Jaleel and I've seen a few pro Iranian faylis who don't want to. The thing is they are proud of being Kurdish, or atleast the one I know, but doesn't support independant state. This is the problem, some faylis don't feel they are entitled to it, like other Kurds do. I can tell you though most of us do including "religious" side of my family who support it, passively sadly, but still do. Actually I also see xanaqi kurds working with Ilamis and Bagdadi Kurds in Sweden and in SK itself.

[alan131210]

My bro met heaps of Kurd Feylis as a translator and they all consider themselves "Iranians" and even one Feyli interpreter told my bro " all Kurds are Iranians " .

And if a Kurd does not want an independent Kurdistan then like that Feyli guy here he should change his nationality to Persian or like JELEEL to an Arab but you can't claim your a Kurd then sorry, and pls do not label them as Kurds only bcoz they are Feyli !!

I will put a big cross on them if they are kerkuki as well .

You can't deny majority of EK Feylis consider themselves Iranians, Shia then Kurdish while SK Feylis consider themselves kurdistanis first hence the flag issue in Khanaqin .

And you say Feylis can't do much in Iran yes and they did have a clash demo last month but what about the Feylis abroad KAK taslor mentioned and ones I have met in Australia !? What would you say their excuse might be !!

I think it is wrong to say Feyli are not nationalist , bcoz SK and ilam new gen ones are but we can prob say EK Feylis are not nationalists as much , but I think that is changing and I hope from now on they too like Khanaqinis say they are Kurds first before been part of this or that tribe or been Shia and side with Shia Arabs and Persians which I am totally against its like kurds in turkey siding with turks bcoz they are sunni ! what would your response would be for them ? I remember i said once on here "our Sunni arab brothers" you out of everyone quoted me "sunni brothers , I just lost respect for you" that what you said to me so what should we say to those Feylis who associate with Arabs/persians bcoz they are Shia !!?? and JJ do not even attempt for one sec to defend such people I don't care Feylis sirani kurakam ji they will have a big cross in my books .

And pls refrain from criticizing KRG from now on and focus more on the mullah regime in Tehran more .

[hevalo27]

focus more on the mullah regime in Tehran more .

many eastkurds are , also some northkurds

our future must be kurd u kurdistan and our enemys must be known, turkish, persian and arab regime`s

[alan131210]

Yes we can't hang out with Sunni Arabs and can't hang with Sunni Turks and Shia arabs/Persians !!

That is just friggin WRONG

[jjmuneer]

My bro met heaps of Kurd Feylis as a translator and they all consider themselves "Iranians" and even one Feyli interpreter told my bro " all Kurds are Iranians " .

And if a Kurd does not want an independent Kurdistan then like that Feyli guy here he should change his nationality to Persian or like JELEEL to an Arab but you can't day your a Kurd then sorry but do not label them Kurds bcoz they are Feyli !!

I will put a big cross on them if they are kerkuki as well .

You can't deny majority of EK Feylis consider themselves Iranians Shia then Kurdish while SK Feylis consider themselves kurdistanis first hence the flag issue in Khanaqin .

And you say Feylis can't do much in Iran yes and they did have a clash demo last month but what about the Feylis abroad KAK taslor mentioned and ones I have met in Australia !? What would you say their excuse might be !!

I think it is wrong to say Feyli are not nationalist , bcoz SK and ilam new gen ones are but we can prob say EK Feylis are not nationalists as much , but I think that is changing and I hope from now on they too like Khanaqinis say they are Kurds first before been part of this or that tribe or been Shia and side with Shia Arabs and Persians which I am totally against its like kurds in turkey siding with turks bcoz they are sunni ! what would your response would be for them ? I remember i said once on here "our suuni arab brothers" you out of everyone quoted me " sunni brothers ? I just lost respect for you " that what u said to me do what should say to those Feylis who associate with Arabs/persians bcoz they are Shia !!?? and JJ do not even attempt for one sec to defend such people I don't care Feylis sirani kurakam ji they will have a big cross in my books .

And pls refrain from criticizing KRG from now on and focus more on the mullah regime in Tehran more .

What did I say about the KRG? I didn't critisize it, I am saying they should just help Kurds in Ilam and Kirmanshan and Baghdad.

How many Kurd Feylis are in Australi? I only know there is a few, and what city was this? Because I think your really confused. Did he ask for nationality or ethnicity, because if his asking for nationality then ovbiously they are going to give an Iraqi or Iranian passport. Of course for ethnicity they will say for Kurd. Did they speak Kurdish Feyli? If not I cannot believe you. Even if someone in person told me he or she is a Kurd then couldn't speak it, I wouldn't believe them. How comes you don't talk about my dad? Is he too nationalistc for you? lol kidding, but as I said not all are like the ones you meet abroad. So what about the ones in Baghdad? They are not nationalistc lol? I really don't see how they are arabs, when clearly for many years they have been totured for being Kurdish. Even now I think Kurds there are scared to call themselves Kurdish. Btw when I say Fayli I'm not referring to my tribe lol, my tribe is from Ilam/Kirmanshan, mostly Ilam I think.
Look I'm not defending them, but the ones in Baghdad who have been born there just say the yare Iraqi Kurds, I really think that is nothing compared to Jashes in NK who pick up guns against their fellow Kurds. In Ilam that is a different story, because everyone there, when I mean everyone I mean the Pahli speakers, because there are some persians living in those areas. They all speak Kurdish. Just go there yourself, instead of complaining to me.

Lol you think I don't say that to some of my tribe members, but I know most people here are too scared they'd get beaten up. I say this because what we say and do are two completely different things. In reality they always are.
How comes the Hawleris I know never complain about me or my dad being Kurd Fayli? Only other Kurds on the internet.
I even when I went to old Kurd Fayli videos other Kurds say Kurd Faylis aren't Kurds and other sh*t like that. I don't really know if it is Persians or something trying to divide us, but I see it quite alot.

Do you have names of the failys your cousin met? Kak Alan do you want to add me on Facebook? I could show you other Faylis in Khanaqin and in my family.

Oh and di I explain why some do call themselves that? Its not because they are Shia, I asked my dad. He said what I said before, it is because they are born in Baghdad etc, they say that, but they always encourage their children to speak Kurdish and say they are Kurdish. You should remember Ethnicity and Nationality are two different things. You are being brainwashed by western governments to think they are the same. Whats in your blood and whats on paper are different.

Bro could you also tell me your defintion of nationalism? I'm just wondering, I want to make a thread about it.

[jjmuneer]

Yes we can't hang out with Sunni Arabs and can't hang with Sunni Turks and Shia arabs/Persians !!

That is just friggin WRONG

F*ck them all, all the Arabs all the Persians, all the Turks.

[alan131210]

jj i know many Feylis who are nationalist but if a kurd whther feyli sorani yezidi is not a nationalist and does not want a kurdish state then he is not kurdish to me , ie jeleel , musfata (feyli guy in australia) his friend , the interpreter my bro met .

jj

pls do not get upset i am not generalising here , i know many nationalist feylis and your one of them but it hurts my feelings when kurds say or think kurds do not deserve a state of their one .

as for the guy who i know , his name is mustafa , he is a feyli and speaks feyli , his dad is from baghdad but his mum is from EK and he was born in a persian area , he speaks feyli and says he is feyli to me and other kurds but when he introduces himself to others he says he is Persians i mean by others like arabs turks australians etc... so i think a feyli from ilam will be different to a feyli from persian area , i actually met a feyli today he is from ilam and says he is kurdish .

ill pm you my fb .