Grugni et al 2012

[jjmuneer]

http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2012/07/huge-study-on-y-chromosome-variation-in.html
I got this from another site:

UPDATE II: From the paper:
Although accounting only for 25% of the total variance, the first two components (Figure 3) separate populations according to their geographic and ethnic origin and define five main clusters: East-African, North-African and Near Eastern Arab, European, Near Eastern and South Asian. The 1stPC clearly distinguishes the East African groups (showing a high frequency of haplogroup E) from all the others which distribute longitudinally along the axis with a wide overlapping between European and Arab peoples and between Near Eastern and South Asian groups. The 2ndPC separates the North-African and Near Eastern Arabs (characterized by the highest frequency of haplogroup J1) from Europeans (characterized by haplogroups I, R1a and R1b) and the Near Easterners from the South Asians (due to the distribution of haplogroups G, R2 and L). Iranian groups do not cluster all together, occupying intermediate positions among Arab, Near Eastern and Asian clusters. In this scenario, it is worth of noticing the position of three Iranian groups: (i) Khuzestan Arabs (KHU-Ar) who, despite their Arabic origin, are close to the Iranian samples; (ii) Armenians from Tehran (THE-Ar), whose position, in the upper part of the Iranian distribution, indicates a close affinity with the Near Eastern cluster, while their position near Turkey and Caucasus groups, due to the high frequency R1b-M269 and other European markers (eg: I-M170), is in agreement with their Armenia origin; (iii) Sistan Baluchestan (SB-Ba) that clusters with its neighbouring Pakistan.

[jjmuneer]

By the way the "Lurs" are all Kurds in this, since they tested Northern Lurs(Faylis, Laks, Khelors).
As you can also see that J1c3 is at a very low frequency.

[hevalo27]

By the way the "Lurs" are all Kurds in this, since they tested Northern Lurs(Faylis, Laks, Khelors).

we all know

[alan131210]

By the way the "Lurs" are all Kurds in this, since they tested Northern Lurs(Faylis, Laks, Khelors).

we all know

they dont

[hevalo27]

sadly,
one day they will find back to their roots

[jjmuneer]

sadly,
one day they will find back to their roots

You mean South Lurs? Forget them, they are goners man. They are too brainwashed for that shit. I have spent the last couple of days arguing with this Persian who says his half Bakhaitiri Lur.

As you can also see R1a1a is still remains very high amongst East Kurds/South-east Kurds, that is the Median and Scythian blood right there. Along with R1b which is probably the native component. Kurdistano will probably shed more light on this study that is recent.

[hevalo27]

sadly,
one day they will find back to their roots

You mean South Lurs? Forget them, they are goners man. They are too brainwashed for that shit. I have spent the last couple of days arguing with this Persian who says his half Bakhaitiri Lur.

there are three lor gruops right?

first the northern lor = feyli kurds
second the bakhtiari = ???
and sothern lor = brainwashed

[jjmuneer]

sadly,
one day they will find back to their roots

You mean South Lurs? Forget them, they are goners man. They are too brainwashed for that shit. I have spent the last couple of days arguing with this Persian who says his half Bakhaitiri Lur.

there are three lor gruops right?

first the northern lor = feyli kurds
second the bakhtiari = ???
and sothern lor = brainwashed

Well not all Feylis refer to themselves as Feylis, like Mamasani Lurs, they just call themselves Lurs or Kurds.
Bakhtairis are South.

[Kurdistano]

Looking at the table I feel confirmed that Loris are Kurds from West Kurdistan settled in West Iran. They have a lot R1b which is typical for West Kurdistan.

[jjmuneer]

Looking at the table I feel confirmed that Loris are Kurds from West Kurdistan settled in West Iran. They have a lot R1b which is typical for West Kurdistan.

We are Kurds man, on my eastern Kurdish side I have plenty of family on facebook who see themselves as Kurds aswell as Lurs. It really just south Lurs, thats why I don't count them as Kurds.
Though didn't R1b1b develop within North EK? Near the Armenian border.

What baffles me however is the fact that R1a1a is near to zero amongst Lurs. The IJ lingeage is also present funnily enough.

[Kurdistano]

Looking at the table I feel confirmed that Loris are Kurds from West Kurdistan settled in West Iran. They have a lot R1b which is typical for West Kurdistan.

We are Kurds man, on my eastern Kurdish side I have plenty of family on facebook who see themselves as Kurds aswell as Lurs. It really just south Lurs, thats why I don't count them as Kurds.
Though didn't R1b1b develop within North EK? Near the Armenian border.

What baffles me however is the fact that R1a1a is near to zero amongst Lurs. The IJ lingeage is also present funnily enough.

R1b originated somewhere in Central-West or Northeast Kurdistan. But the Lors are from central east Kurdistan and where settled there from West Kurdistan. The Big Lors Baxtiyar where once counted by Sherefhan al Bitlisi among Kurdish tribes and even he wrote that they were settled there from West Kurdistan. However interesting is also that Persians from Fars (their homeland) possess only 4.5% R1a1a* while only the Northern Persians (or persified Scythians, Parthians, Medes) have a significant amount of R1a1a*. Azeris seem to be closest by Haplogroup frequency, only that they do also posses some East Asian lineages.

[jjmuneer]

Looking at the table I feel confirmed that Loris are Kurds from West Kurdistan settled in West Iran. They have a lot R1b which is typical for West Kurdistan.

We are Kurds man, on my eastern Kurdish side I have plenty of family on facebook who see themselves as Kurds aswell as Lurs. It really just south Lurs, thats why I don't count them as Kurds.
Though didn't R1b1b develop within North EK? Near the Armenian border.

What baffles me however is the fact that R1a1a is near to zero amongst Lurs. The IJ lingeage is also present funnily enough.

R1b originated somewhere in Central-West or Northeast Kurdistan. But the Lors are from central east Kurdistan and where settled there from West Kurdistan. The Big Lors Baxtiyar where once counted by Sherefhan al Bitlisi among Kurdish tribes and even he wrote that they were settled there from West Kurdistan. However interesting is also that Persians from Fars (their homeland) possess only 4.5% R1a1a* while only the Northern Persians (or persified Scythians, Parthians, Medes) have a significant amount of R1a1a*. Azeris seem to be closest by Haplogroup frequency, only that they do also posses some East Asian lineages.

What do you say about historically them also being descended from the Parthians? i.e. the Faylis and other similar clans. I wold of thought it was higher, maybe the samples weren't big enough.